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Topic # 92956 10-Nov-2011 00:43

lets recap:

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no flash on win pho 7. no flash on iphone either. flash is gonna die soon.

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linuxluver:
I have Flash on my phones...and wouldn't want a device that can't do it. Maybe it is dying.....but today, right now....it's far from dead.

and today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/nov/09/adobe-flash-mobile-dead

"Mobile Flash is being killed off. The plugin that launched a thousand online forum arguments and a technology standoff between Apple and the format's creator, Adobe, will no longer be developed for mobile browsers, the company said in a note that will accompany a financial briefing to analysts."

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Reply # 543463 10-Nov-2011 08:52

and this.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2396094,00.asp#fbid=pWuc129P5BD

very interesting indeed...

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Reply # 543465 10-Nov-2011 08:55

Not sure if this is good or bad, maybe good for an open internet though right?

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Reply # 543480 10-Nov-2011 09:24

All I can say, is that as long as it works, I don't care what the underlying technology is. And open standards instead of proprietary has got to be good doesn't it? At the moment I find the 'video not available' on my iDevices annoying and will generally use the little green robot instead but if web designers are forced away from flash to a universal standard, then isn't that good for everyone? "Flash is dead" is a little like VHS being dead, who cares as long as it is replaced by something ubiquitous and better. As long as it is supported until it disappears.....

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Reply # 543482 10-Nov-2011 09:27

Maybe this means tvnz and mediaworks will develop ondemand services which don't rely on flash....

Maybe?

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Reply # 543484 10-Nov-2011 09:28

lokhor: Not sure if this is good or bad, maybe good for an open internet though right?

This could be great, or it could be a real fragmentation of the web into mobile vs PC/laptop sites,

A) Sites all code in open standards and all browsers get the same access
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B) Media site begin to encode more and more of their sites into flash to push their mobile users to using their "app" version, which has lots of lovely "in app purchase to view" hooks to view content.....

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Reply # 543756 10-Nov-2011 15:05

With the HTML5 video element there is no way to protect premium content from being downloaded. There is no DRM, there is no encryption or watermarking.

Non flash devices basically have closed source apss to consume "premium" content, you won't be just using your web browser.

Flash will be around for awhile, still.

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Reply # 543759 10-Nov-2011 15:09

Yes, ondemand services will keep it going. At least until these TV companies create apps for their ondemand content. But those apps probably need flash or quicktime to DRM the videos.

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Reply # 543762 10-Nov-2011 15:10

netflix is working on a HTML5 client, so they must have figured out a way to protect content using HTML5.

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Reply # 543765 10-Nov-2011 15:16

Bring on HTML 5 for sure!!!

but if VHS is any indicator, we could be waiting a while still... VHS is still very much alive! :)

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Reply # 543783 10-Nov-2011 15:26

Bee: Bring on HTML 5 for sure!!!

but if VHS is any indicator, we could be waiting a while still... VHS is still very much alive! :)

Really!? OMG, dumped mine years ago

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Reply # 543852 10-Nov-2011 16:43

OK, this may be a simple question but what does this mean for watching TVNZ on demand [et al] on your non-iOS phone/tablet?

I can do it at the moment because my phone supports Flash and the site uses Flash. If I had an iPhone there would be an App.

Does this mean there will need to be an Android / WinPh App or ... what?

I have a hard time believing 'they' will say: Yeah, sorry but while you could watch this stuff on your old phone you can't on the newer, flasher, more expensive one that we are now selling you.

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Reply # 543956 10-Nov-2011 20:40

in general, HTML5 is going to replace flash and sliverlight (yep, thats dead too :P)

crackrdbycracku:
I can do it at the moment because my phone supports Flash and the site uses Flash. If I had an iPhone there would be an App.

Does this mean there will need to be an Android / WinPh App or ... what?

if there is an iphone app, why cant there be an android and wp7 app? on numbers alone, android apps should probably be the first to be built... but it seems that IOS apps are still the priority for release. A native app is always a better experience for something you use regularly on a device.

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Reply # 543973 10-Nov-2011 21:07

Regs: in general, HTML5 is going to replace flash and sliverlight (yep, thats dead too :P)

crackrdbycracku:
I can do it at the moment because my phone supports Flash and the site uses Flash. If I had an iPhone there would be an App.

Does this mean there will need to be an Android / WinPh App or ... what?

if there is an iphone app, why cant there be an android and wp7 app? on numbers alone, android apps should probably be the first to be built... but it seems that IOS apps are still the priority for release. A native app is always a better experience for something you use regularly on a device.

silverlight isn't dead, its not going to die anytime soon. microsoft have been pretty smart about this, and use it for Windows Phone 7 apps, they are using it more and more for desktop apps etc. it may be mostly replaced my html5 on the web, but there are many other uses.

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Reply # 544056 10-Nov-2011 23:49

reven:
Regs: in general, HTML5 is going to replace flash and sliverlight (yep, thats dead too :P)

crackrdbycracku:
I can do it at the moment because my phone supports Flash and the site uses Flash. If I had an iPhone there would be an App.

Does this mean there will need to be an Android / WinPh App or ... what?

if there is an iphone app, why cant there be an android and wp7 app? on numbers alone, android apps should probably be the first to be built... but it seems that IOS apps are still the priority for release. A native app is always a better experience for something you use regularly on a device.

silverlight isn't dead, its not going to die anytime soon. microsoft have been pretty smart about this, and use it for Windows Phone 7 apps, they are using it more and more for desktop apps etc. it may be mostly replaced my html5 on the web, but there are many other uses.

well its not 'official' yet, but its sounding like silverlight 5 will be the last version. expect to see HTML5, XAML and WinRT (for windows 8) take over where silverlight leaves off
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/will-there-be-a-silverlight-6-and-does-it-matter/11180

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Reply # 544152 11-Nov-2011 09:53

Regs: in general, HTML5 is going to replace flash and sliverlight (yep, thats dead too :P)

crackrdbycracku:
I can do it at the moment because my phone supports Flash and the site uses Flash. If I had an iPhone there would be an App.

Does this mean there will need to be an Android / WinPh App or ... what?

if there is an iphone app, why cant there be an android and wp7 app? on numbers alone, android apps should probably be the first to be built... but it seems that IOS apps are still the priority for release. A native app is always a better experience for something you use regularly on a device.

Yeah, I agree there should be Android apps. I just makes life easier if you regularly use something. I think there are more iOS apps because the thing doesn't support flash and therefore apps is the only way get things like video on a device. I'm not advocating a conspiracy but it has been very beneficial to Apple from a marketing point of view.

My concern is the lazy people like TVNZ won't want to pay developers to make a TVNZ On Demand Android app. Currently because of Flash support they don't have to 'do' anything for TVNZ On Demand to be mobile. By the way they promote TV and expect us to just take what we are given it is plain they are not yet in the 21st century.

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