Way to shoot yourself in the foot Tivo !

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burtz

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#41524 17-Sep-2009 17:20

Just read the announcement re downadable content only for telecom broadband customers. What a silly move ! The people most likely to adopt Tivo technology are the ones who shop around for the best deal with an ISP not the telecom drones.

It's great that the download wont count toward a data cap but how much will telecom charge for the movie to make up for it?

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#256577 17-Sep-2009 17:27

Even more than the ridiculous 2c MB over cap they charge i should think.

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#256578 17-Sep-2009 17:28

What suprised me was; "It will act as a FreeviewHD decoder and will also let viewers download pay-per-view movies and access other free and paid services over the internet" ... so this is a FreeviewHD UHF decoder? not a Satellite based system? another city-only box again.

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#256579 17-Sep-2009 17:29

It's great that the download wont count toward a data cap but how much will telecom charge for the movie to make up for it?

It would be bad buisness if it was more than $7, as people would still hire the DVD/Blu-Ray, atleast that way they can keep a copy of it without the possible 'expirey' date.

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keepitwarm

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#256580 17-Sep-2009 17:30

and will it be full HD?

and how long would that take over the mighty telecom network?

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#256581 17-Sep-2009 17:32

True, if it was 1080p, you'd think it would be around 25gb atleast.... unless they use some kind of MKV format lol, and make it 8gb.

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#256582 17-Sep-2009 17:33

burtz: Just read the announcement re downadable content only for telecom broadband customers. What a silly move ! The people most likely to adopt Tivo technology are the ones who shop around for the best deal with an ISP not the telecom drones.

It's great that the download wont count toward a data cap but how much will telecom charge for the movie to make up for it?

Im no drone, and price vs. performance plus value added services make it a no brainer for me to shop around, and make my choice to have Telecom as my broadband provider.

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burtz

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#256583 17-Sep-2009 17:35

You only have to ask sky users how many watch the ridiculously priced pay per view movies. Telecom will do exactly the same and price it out of the market and why should they care - the profit potential for Tivo is minimal for them.

Why not team with a hungry ISP like Orcon or Worldxchange who need the extra revenue?

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#256585 17-Sep-2009 17:36

i have to confess, im with telecom, and i cannot fault the service i have had from them in the last few years, although now with the plan shuffle im on a business plan at home, as the over caps are cheaper.

The speed is ok too, and with tivo telecom im hoping the downloadable content will be locally hosted.

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#256587 17-Sep-2009 17:38

burtz

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#256588 17-Sep-2009 17:40

My point was about early adopters using other ISP's - no rant about telecom...

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#256591 17-Sep-2009 17:46

I would have to agree with tonyhughes. I have explored other options a number of times but have not found a better deal than Telecom. To say it is sillyfor Tivo to form an alliance with what I belive is still the largest broadband provider in nz by customer base sound a little like a rant.

It is a pity the service will be restricted to Telecom users only and can not be offered regardless of the ISP a customer is with. I can however see that as a business problem it would be a nightmare for Tivo trying to negotiate an access deal with a large number of individual ISP's. It is probably not an ideal solution for Tivo but better than the other options.

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#256598 17-Sep-2009 18:23

How is this any different than WxC zero rating traffic for GamePlanet? Or Orcon zero rating traffic from TVNZ on Demand? Or Telstraclear zero rating traffic to its gaming servers? Telecom has the most broadband customers in New Zealand. It makes economical sense for Telecom to host the service and zero rate it for their customers, it will therefore have the greatest reach and Tivo will be able to advertise itself to the biggest broadband market in New Zealand. It would be a waste for them to go with one of the smaller players.

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#256599 17-Sep-2009 18:25

@keepitwarm

the content you download on the tivo box will be unmetered and unthrottled so you can be on any plan you like you will get the best possible speed.

Any views expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent the views of my employer Telecom NZ

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#256643 17-Sep-2009 20:15

burtz: ...how much will telecom charge for the movie to make up for it?

Won't it be Tivo doing the charging as opposed to Telecom?

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#256655 17-Sep-2009 20:37

kingjj: How is this any different than WxC zero rating traffic for GamePlanet? Or Orcon zero rating traffic from TVNZ on Demand? Or Telstraclear zero rating traffic to its gaming servers? Telecom has the most broadband customers in New Zealand. It makes economical sense for Telecom to host the service and zero rate it for their customers, it will therefore have the greatest reach and Tivo will be able to advertise itself to the biggest broadband market in New Zealand. It would be a waste for them to go with one of the smaller players.

None of this contributes to a valid argument. The issue here isn't that the data is only zero rated if Telecom is your ISP, it's that you don't have access to this side of the TiVo services unless your ISP is Telecom.

Zero-rated or not, I'm sure that there are people out there that would have liked the choice to access the online services provided by the TiVo box regardless of their ISP.

Will be interesting to see whether or not this becomes and anti-competitive case or not. Personally it doesn't bother me as there isn't anything that appeals to me with TiVo but I can imagine there are those that can see a case against TiVo/HybridTV for anti-competitiveness (kind of like if telcos locked phones to their networks I'd have thought...)

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