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Topic # 89312 30-Aug-2011 20:23
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Hi there,
My aunt just gave me a freebie camera, a Fuji Finepix S9000/9500 (differs on the region),, telling me that the colours were screwed. She runs a photography eBay shop, so no idea how this has happened.
I'm hoping for something software-related, as it appears to be.
The colours are very warm, very browny when they should be crisp on the Fuji. Fine, you think - it's a camera from 2005. But it's worse than anything and it's way worse than the sample pictures I've seen taken with others of the same camera. The main problem is that absolute black is impossible to capture.


 Comparison photos with a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ8 (hosted on Flickr to bypass the 200kb limit on here)...
A black shirt with pattern on it, which has faded to plain black to the naked eye/the Panasonic but is clearly visible on the Fuji as it shows the dark pattern and changes the black of the background to light brown
Comparing a navy blue couch with the jet black All Blacks sleeping bag and ski jacket next to it

When I saw the camera I instantly thought that it would be a white balance problem or something, so I changed the white bal setting off auto and onto "indoors" (or something similar), which seemed to help (not so noticeable at night, when I remembered to take sample shots). However, the black was still off. 

Any help, anyone? I'm hoping it's a software issue, as it seems to pick up all dark colours apart from very dark black well. 

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  Reply # 514246 31-Aug-2011 09:43
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Have you tried a firmware update?

linkage: http://www.fujifilmusa.com/support/ServiceSupportSoftwareContent.do?dbid=841609&prodcat=836805&sscuc...

Can you take a picture of some grass/anything green and plant based? I only ask as it could be a UV filter issue. Not really sure though as I don't have the camera in my hands. If the green chlorophyll in the leaves turns white then it is a UV filter problem.

If that doesn't work then it would seem that the only way to 'fix' the problem would be to run every picture through a photoshop/lightroom preset that alters the camera colours closer to the original. That would be much more trouble than it would be worth.



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  Reply # 514478 31-Aug-2011 13:55
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Ahh, yeah the green is faded. It's usually equipped with a UV filter, but I took that off, then also tried blue and brown filters that I had around the place. Will get pictures at about three and link to it - currently at school. Will also try the firmware update.

I reset all factory settings, so it's hardware based/at least not a setting that's been screwed up by previous owners, which is unfortunate as I was hoping for white balance problems!

Thanks for the reply.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 514525 31-Aug-2011 15:21

Bit of a WAG, but I wonder if it hasn't been (deliberately) modified to remove the IR filter - e.g. http://www.instructables.com/id/infrared-digital-camera---the-real-way/

You could take a picture of an activated remote control - should light up brightly if the IR filter has been removed.

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  Reply # 514533 31-Aug-2011 15:28
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chaucolai: It's usually equipped with a UV filter, but I took that off....
If you took it off, then a firmware update won't put it back on... No UV filter, no normal pictures. I have modified a few cameras to take UV images, they can be quite artistic for landscape shots. It could be worth holding onto just for the sake of that. 

That being said, if you took the UV filter out then why don't you put it back in?

Are you confusing the UV filter on the sensor with one for the lens? They are different. The one on the front of the lens doesn't act the same way. A UV filter over the sensor is a single piece of glass with a light reddish hue on it. The ones on lenses are clear.

I think KevinL has got it right. If you didn't take the sensor filter off then someone else must have using a similar method he has linked to.



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  Reply # 514534 31-Aug-2011 15:31
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There's a small problem. As it's a secondhand camera, I have no AC adapter and the camera refuses to upgrade the firmware without being plugged into the AC adapter.
It's just a simple DC in 5V but a bit worried about getting the wrong amount and blowing it up, somehow, so will upgrade the firmware when I can find a cord. *runs around the house in an attempt to find one*

Picturewise, I took a photo of my front lawn (very rich green) with the two cameras (for comparison) and got this..
Fuji (with no lens attachment endy things) http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaucolai/6098978670/in/photostream
Fuji (with the blue filter - seems to get the best results) http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaucolai/6098977756/in/photostream
Panasonic comparison http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaucolai/6098432397/in/photostream

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I didn't see the new replies! 
Are you confusing the UV filter on the sensor with one for the lens? They are different. The one on the front of the lens doesn't act the same way. A UV filter over the sensor is a single piece of glass with a light reddish hue on it. The ones on lenses are clear.

Ahh, yeah. That would be me - sorry, was confusing that. There was a few filters included, including one extra clear one (that I was told was a UV filter) and I took that off for the one shot. It's secondhand, off eBay I assume, so I have no idea what previous owners have done with it.

Bit of a WAG, but I wonder if it hasn't been (deliberately) modified to remove the IR filter - e.g. http://www.instructables.com/id/infrared-digital-camera---the-real-way/

You could take a picture of an activated remote control - should light up brightly if the IR filter has been removed.

Can you explain to me what you mean? I tried holding down a button on the TV remote and taking a picture, but I'm prettyyy sure I did it wrong and I just looked stupid.
I would try to take the photo, but I can't figure out how.. oops.
Looking at the instructable, does look very much like the problem I have - if that's the problem, it's going to be interesting trying to fix it!

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  Reply # 514566 31-Aug-2011 16:23
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Sorry, i've had a busy night, and an even busier day at work i'm afraid. Earlier when I was talking about UV filters on the sensor I really meant IR. My mental capacity is limited heh. 

Your images aren't afflicted by a lack of an IR filter. The difference would be much more pronounced. Any green in the image would be white.

You don't need to take a picture of the remote to see what KevinL is talking about. Just look at the screen on the camera and aim the remote at the lens whilst pressing buttons. You'll see the small IR transmitter flash. But that's not what's going on as its more of a colour shift than anything else.

If you can't find a power adaptor you might need to head to a Jaycar/DSE and pick up a multi power thingy with different plugs. Make sure you get the polarity correct though or you might have even more problems.

Does your camera have a colour mode option? I wonder if it defaults to something odd. It'd be sepia/b&w etc. Maybe there is some weird setting in there. 



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  Reply # 514572 31-Aug-2011 16:32
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 Your images aren't afflicted by a lack of an IR filter. The difference would be much more pronounced. Any green in the image would be white.

Ahh, that's good. While I would like an answer, I'd rather not have one where I can't fix it!

If you can't find a power adaptor you might need to head to a Jaycar/DSE and pick up a multi power thingy with different plugs. Make sure you get the polarity correct though or you might have even more problems.

Hopefully heading to DSE tomorrow sometime to pick one up. As it's American, I have no idea what I should be doing (tbh AC adapters are a bit.. this is embarrassing.. before my time - ever since I've been a power user of electronics they haven't really been around, apart from bundled with my eHDD. That should tell you my age! but it does mean that I don't have a clue what to do with it, so hopefully DSE will be able to help!)

Does your camera have a colour mode option? I wonder if it defaults to something odd. It'd be sepia/b&w etc. Maybe there is some weird setting in there. 

I reset the camera to factory settings earlier, nothing seemed to change. I've gone through every setting I can find, both on the camera and in the manual and nothing seems to pop out at me. As I said, factory settings, so technically it shouldn't be a setting, right?

Thanks for the reply - you're a great help.



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  Reply # 514630 31-Aug-2011 18:36
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I don't know whether this would make a difference, but I decided that (despite thinking it's probably not a software-changing problem) I would play around with every. single. setting under the sun.
Turns out it looks remarkably like the "Chrome" colour setting...

Chrome colour setting http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaucolai/6099324016/in/photostream
Normal colour setting http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaucolai/6099323318/in/photostream
Comparison photo with Panasonic (taken earlier in the day) http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaucolai/6098432397/in/photostream

It might just be a coincidence (okay, it's probably just a coincidence) but it's an interesting one, nonetheless (or at least to me...)

Anyway, going to DSE to pick up a cord tomorrow, with the camera (I don't want to make a mistake! haha) and then updating the firmware. Fingers crossed that will fix it.



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  Reply # 524774 22-Sep-2011 20:57
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Okay, so I think I've given up. I'm saving my damndest for a DSLR (which will take years - I'm a college student ahaha).

So, does anybody know of an automated post-processor thing? I *think* I figured out how to quickly reduce the red (and since it's now habit to post screenshots on Flickr, here's a link http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6154/6171350233_1dbf14091b_o.jpg ). It's just by changing the red level in Fireworks (the web-designer version of Photoshop, if you don't know. I have 2004 because it was given to me for free by a friend who wasn't using the license, I refuse to pirate photoshop...)

So is there any way to automate that? Or (as I haven't been able to test with more than a few pictures) will they all need different red level adjustment? Or something? IDEK.

But yes, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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