Intermediate school says no Facebook at home please

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#229014 3-Feb-2018 13:26

An intermediate school ICT policy recommends parents keep children away from Facebook at home for two years. It is the entire period covered by attendance. Stuff calls it a ban.

Apparently parents contact the school regularly for assistance with Facebook bullying and disputes. Social media is filtered out in school.

If the school has social media education + anti bullying education programs running the article does not say.

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#1951108 3-Feb-2018 14:00

Seeing as Facebooks T&Cs have an age restriction of 13years I'd say this is valid

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#1951113 3-Feb-2018 14:09

I wish the school and the parents luck for enforcing it.

Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?

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#1951114 3-Feb-2018 14:14

Daughter keeps asking for Instagram. Won't happen until she's 13 at least. Same for Facebook.

Some parents just don't know (or want) to parent. No measn no.

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#1951116 3-Feb-2018 14:16

freitasm:

Daughter keeps asking for Instagram. Won't happen until she's 13 at least. Same for Facebook.

Some parents just don't know (or want) to parent. No measn no.

Alot of parents aren't aware of the detrimental effect of social media on teens as well, as they were introduced to the technology later on.

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#1951151 3-Feb-2018 15:17

Keep kids off social media as long as possible, a large % of posts are toxic. In addition, social media seems to be feeding a culture of narcissism in both teenagers and adults alike.

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#1951160 3-Feb-2018 15:23

Dulouz:

Keep kids off social media as long as possible, a large % of posts are toxic. In addition, social media seems to be feeding a culture of narcissism in both teenagers and adults alike.

And a weird offset sense of reality where everyone only displays their best bits (both physically and emotionally), leading to people (teens in particular) comparing themselves to unrealistic "norms"....

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#1951161 3-Feb-2018 15:27

Mistenfuru:

Dulouz:

Keep kids off social media as long as possible, a large % of posts are toxic. In addition, social media seems to be feeding a culture of narcissism in both teenagers and adults alike.

And a weird offset sense of reality where everyone only displays their best bits (both physically and emotionally), leading to people (teens in particular) comparing themselves to unrealistic "norms"....

I believe that it's a passing phase and society will grow out of it. Soon posting self-congratulatory social media posts will be viewed in a similar way to smoking. Done by a few, looked down on by the many.

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#1951238 3-Feb-2018 20:41

FB whats that? all the cool kids are on insta/SC and a few others :P

My 12yo has been dabbling in social media for a couple of years now and is now reasonably savvy, we taught her from the onset if unsure about anything at all talk to us and that she has. My approach has been to educate rather than shelter, the last thing i would want is to throw her into the social media circus as a naive teen whose head is already spinning from compounding issues such as boys and puberty and god knows what else

While this approach wont work for everybody in our case it has worked well and Miss 12 is dealing with social media particularly well

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#1951251 3-Feb-2018 22:17

I'm in two minds.

As a dad I want to wrap both son and daughter in cotton wool, so they may never come to any harm.

As a realist, Facebook for all its evils is a sign of customer demand, as much as they suit a market of their own creating there's little denying the market pull is ginormous, and I don't want to be a helicopter parent running their own smoothwall to inspect packets and install a fake cert on their device to circumnavigate https.. If a child wants to do something, chances are there's little you can do to stop then from interacting some form of Facebook in the course of their day (or weeks)

It might be as simple as they'll latch on to a school friend who has it on their phone and lets them use it on their log-in.

Or they'll find incognito mode. Or whatever. Where there's a will, and technology there's inevitably a way with varying degrees of difficulty.

There's also "why just Facebook?" there's also Reddit, Twitter, internet forums, Instagram and goodness knows what else has cropped up recently that also serves as a self deprecating form of social media with little oversight as what can get away with.

Ban one, and you either serve to ensure they'll move to another, or you make a demand for black market services, providing a work around (as mentioned above).

I don't know, but to be fair I am worried how to broach this subject with my children when the time comes.

Fortunately don't have to worry about this yet, as my son is far too young thank goodness, but I feel genuine sympathy for those that do.

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#1951273 3-Feb-2018 23:34

Dulouz:

Mistenfuru:

Dulouz:

Keep kids off social media as long as possible, a large % of posts are toxic. In addition, social media seems to be feeding a culture of narcissism in both teenagers and adults alike.

And a weird offset sense of reality where everyone only displays their best bits (both physically and emotionally), leading to people (teens in particular) comparing themselves to unrealistic "norms"....

I believe that it's a passing phase and society will grow out of it. Soon posting self-congratulatory social media posts will be viewed in a similar way to smoking. Done by a few, looked down on by the many.

The whole selfie thing IMO can be very narcissistic. It also goes against the traditional kiwi culture of under selling ourselves. But I have noticed the NZ culture has changed in recent years in the larger cities, and I think it is partly due to influences like social media. I am having to embrace social media to a certain level for business, but not a fan of some of it for a variety of reasons.People also think it is free, but so much information is collected.

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#1951277 3-Feb-2018 23:57

floydbloke:

I wish the school and the parents luck for enforcing it.

Easy. If you have enough money to purchase decent home networking gear, put parental security on their phone as a /system/ app so even a factory reset won't get around it (and disable tethering on a system level too) and give them a Chromebook with supervised mode enabled. Have any sniff of VPN traffic, Proxy traffic or Facebook traffic coming from their devices trigger an alert via the means of Rick Astley playing loudly on speakers throughout the house and a firewall rule to drop all traffic for two hours should solve it.

Challenge accepted. I envision I'll be a great father.

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#1951281 4-Feb-2018 00:21

michaelmurfy:
floydbloke:

I wish the school and the parents luck for enforcing it.

Easy. If you have enough money to purchase decent home networking gear, put parental security on their phone as a /system/ app so even a factory reset won't get around it (and disable tethering on a system level too) and give them a Chromebook with supervised mode enabled. Have any sniff of VPN traffic, Proxy traffic or Facebook traffic coming from their devices trigger an alert via the means of Rick Astley playing loudly on speakers throughout the house and a firewall rule to drop all traffic for two hours should solve it.

Challenge accepted. I envision I'll be a great father.

And when they log in or create an account on a friend's device away from your networks?

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#1951287 4-Feb-2018 07:34

Better to teach them to manage it. It is a fact of life that this is how they all communicate these days.

I recently read an article from lord knows how far back where the 'experts' were warning of the dangers of books! Time marches on, ignoring it or restricting it doesn't work, it never has. I applaud the schools restrictions during school hours, but good luck after hours.

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

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#1951308 4-Feb-2018 10:18

Wade:

And when they log in or create an account on a friend's device away from your networks?

Easy... Google Alerts to detect their new Facebook profile and loss of internet privileges should solve that however now this is getting harder than anticipated.

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#1951317 4-Feb-2018 10:51

Dulouz:

Keep kids off social media as long as possible, a large % of posts are toxic. In addition, social media seems to be feeding a culture of narcissism in both teenagers and adults alike.

However, it is also a great opportunity to teach kids about social media while children are young enough to listen to their parents.

We allow our intermediate daughter an instagram account and SMS messaging, and our son is on snapchat. But, our rule is that we are allowed to read their phones anytime, anywhere.

While we have read quite a lot of toxic language, it has given us insight into the characters of some of their friends. We teach our kids how to behave appropriately online, why people write things online that they would not say face to face, and how to respond appropriately in online conflicts.

There is no social filter in young kids brains (and adults?), so we feel we are helping build that in our children. Rather than just banning them and kicking the issue further down the road.

No phones allowed after 8pm though. . . that is time for reading and going to bed.

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