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#288889 30-Jul-2021 08:12
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Morning all,

 

I'm trying to look at my options for one-on-one text chat with a handful of friends. In the good old days we used MSN, then when that disappeared we moved to Google Talk, which was perfectly fine for text chat. It was documented and there were plenty of client apps for it... then Google replaced it with Hangouts. This was never documented and the reverse-engineered third-party client that I use is a bit buggy... and now the cycle continues with Google Chat, which also doesn't look like it's going to be documented.

 

Enough is enough and I want to move to something that's not at a company's 'shutdown whims'. Is XMPP (an open standard) the best choice there? Or is there a better solution? There seem to be plenty of XMPP clients and I'm also spoiled for choice with XMPP providers... which leads to my next question. Any suggestions on a good provider? The client I installed suggested yax.im, but it seems to be very unreliable. Does anyone have any experience with the various providers and have any tips?

 

Or am I barking up the wrong tree and am I likely to be better off with a different system? We just need support for text and the odd image.


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  #2752222 30-Jul-2021 09:08
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Discord works well. Friends and I started a server few years ago and has been our go-to for comms ever since.

 

 





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  #2752224 30-Jul-2021 09:13
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Can't speak to how good it is as I've not used it but The Register recently had an article on Zulip which may be worth a look. Has cloud and self hosted. You can trial in cloud and then fully migrate everything from cloud to self hosted.

 

During the lockdown someone I know setup a Rocket Chat self hosted server and we used that for a while to chat and catch-up etc. It was fine, did what it said it did, no issues we found. Inevitably after lock down ended we eventually migrated to other more common solutions as it ended up being "another" app to use just for this and we were using other apps for everyone else.

 

Then there is always IRC...


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  #2752232 30-Jul-2021 09:40
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I think the emerging standard is Matrix. https://matrix.org/

 

 

 

It is a slack-style IM+Voice+Video system which is federated and based on an open protocol. This means that, like email, you can host your own server or join someone else's server, and then from there access all the public chatrooms and users on the entire matrix network.

 

 

 

XMPP is good too, but is based more in the old paradigm of one-on-one chats with group chats being a bit of an afterthought. Matrix is much more modern and bleeding edge, with the protocol still being developed at pace. Still, it's stable and usable right now.

 

 

 

I'm a huge advocate for matrix as it promises to one day be the be-all-and-end-all of real-time communications.




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  #2752279 30-Jul-2021 11:13
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Thanks for the responses. Tackling these in order...

 

- From what I can tell, it isn't actually possible to host a Discord server. What they call 'servers' are actually instances on their own infrastructure, and there doesn't seem to be any documentation around how it all works. This puts me back to square one with everything being at the whims of one company. Have I misunderstood?

 

- The other three options look promising. I'll investigate more closely when I have a bit of free time (I'm supposed to be working at the moment...)

 

Thanks again :)


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  #2752280 30-Jul-2021 11:16
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I use Signal on phone and PC. It's meant to be good for privacy, but you can't run your own.


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Another vote for Matrix from me. I personally favour Matrix because it is Federated and self-hostable. A user on one matrix server can message a user on another matrix server. You're not tied to using that one server.

Most popular client is Element.io. There are other clients to choose from as well.

I currently host my own node (Synapse "Homeserver") for close family. Matrix still does have it's odd rough bits which is currently being smoothed out, but feel it is now certainly very usable for text chat.

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  #2754484 3-Aug-2021 14:17
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Thanks. I was too busy over the weekend to look into this, but hopefully I'll get to it at some point!


 
 
 

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  #2756650 8-Aug-2021 10:08
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I've been using Element for a few days and it looks like Matrix does the trick. Thanks for the suggestion :)

 

A question though: I don't know all the names for the various 'things' in Matrix yet so I'm not sure how to search for this. When I created my Matrix account through Element, I logged in using my existing Google account for authentication. However, I'm now wanting to try out a different client (Seaglass) but it doesn't support Google accounts.

 

Does anyone know how to convert to a 'normal' account so that I can log in using Seaglass? Element has a Change Password feature in its preferences but it requires a current password, which I don't have.


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  #2756686 8-Aug-2021 11:45
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Presumably you signed up on the matrix.org homeserver (the default), so ask on https://matrix.to/#/#matrix:matrix.org they should be able to help there. Remember that accounts are homeserver specific, so if you want to self host, you'll create a new account there.


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  #2756708 8-Aug-2021 12:53
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I figured it out: You go here to do a password reset, or in this case an initial setup.


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