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#1099704 31-Jul-2014 21:52

NonprayingMantis:

IPv6 is such a marginal thing, with basically no benefits to the customer as of right now (5 years time, yes, but not now), investing in that is pretty silly IMO when you could be spending that money on something more relevant to today - like more bandwidth, UFB handovers etc

Yeah I actually spent an hour setting up IPv6 on a website I look after the other day, then decided to turn it back off because it is probably more risk of people having issues with it turned on! However, agree with the others in that in a new ISP you may as well setup with v6 from scratch. Just won't be on 99% of the country's wish list yet.

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#1099735 31-Jul-2014 22:43

TimA: Dream ISP=
Cheap unlimited naked xDSL.
Easy billing
Fast email support
Offshore speeds that of local.

The first three points are achievable, and as noted in this thread some others are doing a good job in this area already, others less so. The last point is obviously tough as latency / laws of physics will always hamper that goal, but given they're getting transit from Vocus they're trying to do the best by their customers.

I think most customers would be fairly happy to see results to the US like this one from a UFB connection, and as long as they aren't skimping on said transit there's no reason to expect any less.

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#1099744 31-Jul-2014 23:31

TimA: Dream ISP=
Cheap unlimited naked xDSL.
Easy billing
Fast email support
Offshore speeds that of local.

The first three points are achievable, and as noted in this thread some others are doing a good job in this area already, others less so. The last point is obviously tough as latency / laws of physics will always hamper that goal,

but given they're getting transit from Vocus they're trying to do the best by their customers.

I think most customers would be fairly happy to see results to the US like this one from a UFB connection, and as long as they aren't skimping on said transit there's no reason to expect any less.

International peering is our key, lets face it everything interesting is held on servers outside of NZ

Vocus has very good connectivity to the US, we are looking at how we can get the best routes

One other thing i should mention are gaming servers especially BF servers in NZ, we are in talks with DICE.

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#1099746 31-Jul-2014 23:32

NewNZISP: TimA: Dream ISP=
Cheap unlimited naked xDSL.
Easy billing
Fast email support
Offshore speeds that of local.

The first three points are achievable, and as noted in this thread some others are doing a good job in this area already, others less so. The last point is obviously tough as latency / laws of physics will always hamper that goal,

but given they're getting transit from Vocus they're trying to do the best by their customers.

I think most customers would be fairly happy to see results to the US like this one from a UFB connection, and as long as they aren't skimping on said transit there's no reason to expect any less.

International peering is our key, lets face it everything interesting is held on servers outside of NZ

Vocus has very good connectivity to the US, we are looking at how we can get the best routes

One other thing i should mention are gaming servers especially BF servers in NZ, we are in talks with DICE.

nz based servers again! that would be great to see!

miss the Clearnet Deluxe days!

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#1099748 31-Jul-2014 23:36

One feature that I think would be useful to have is a transparent torrent cache in which torrents that your customers download get cached on a internal network server and then the torrent client just leeches from the server while the server leeches from peers.

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#1099768 31-Jul-2014 23:52

It isnt hard, Window scaling will help. I have seen people get and myself on a test UFB connection 100Mb/s to USA.

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#1102099 4-Aug-2014 20:59

It's great to know! our aim is to launch soon.

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#1102240 4-Aug-2014 23:15

Welcome to the fray. Always great to see more Kiwi's in the startup scene.

Cant wait to hear more details. Best advise I can give you is build expected customer profiles in terms of bandwidth required now and with some projections. We now have some pretty good insights but with local streaming media about to come online things will change.

Best of luck to you guys.

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#1102249 4-Aug-2014 23:30

charsleysa: One feature that I think would be useful to have is a transparent torrent cache in which torrents that your customers download get cached on a internal network server and then the torrent client just leeches from the server while the server leeches from peers.

By nature of torrents and their many many connections there isn't much of a speed benefit unless your international transit is saturated or being artificially limited. If I fire up a well seeded single torrent I'll get around 75% of my plan speed. Two or three going at the same time and it stays pegged at my line speed until I run low on things to pull down :)

Caches typically need many many users to have them seeded properly, but as ISPs grow it makes some sense for sure, and the likes of Vodafone, Slingshot, Orcon, Telecom do just that with their PeerApp, Oversi, BlueCoats etc etc.

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#1102252 4-Aug-2014 23:34

insane:
charsleysa: One feature that I think would be useful to have is a transparent torrent cache in which torrents that your customers download get cached on a internal network server and then the torrent client just leeches from the server while the server leeches from peers.

By nature of torrents and their many many connections there isn't much of a speed benefit unless your international transit is saturated or being artificially limited. If I fire up a well seeded single torrent I'll get around 75% of my plan speed. Two or three going at the same time and it stays pegged at my line speed until I run low on things to pull down :)

Caches typically need many many users to have them seeded properly, but as ISPs grow it makes some sense for sure, and the likes of Vodafone, Slingshot, Orcon, Telecom do just that with their PeerApp, Oversi, BlueCoats etc etc.

It's more of a win win thing for ISPs because if they cache torrents then they only download them once so popular torrents only use a mere fraction of transit compared to everything seeding it from overseas peers costing them precious international bandwidth.

It will also speed up the download of unpopular torrents with hardly any seeds, the transparent cache gets it as fast it can while the client gets it at max speed from the cache, once it's finished the next person to download the torrent will get full line speed instead of a slow seed thanks to the torrent cache.

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#1102268 4-Aug-2014 23:47

charsleysa:
insane:
charsleysa: One feature that I think would be useful to have is a transparent torrent cache in which torrents that your customers download get cached on a internal network server and then the torrent client just leeches from the server while the server leeches from peers.

By nature of torrents and their many many connections there isn't much of a speed benefit unless your international transit is saturated or being artificially limited. If I fire up a well seeded single torrent I'll get around 75% of my plan speed. Two or three going at the same time and it stays pegged at my line speed until I run low on things to pull down :)

Caches typically need many many users to have them seeded properly, but as ISPs grow it makes some sense for sure, and the likes of Vodafone, Slingshot, Orcon, Telecom do just that with their PeerApp, Oversi, BlueCoats etc etc.

It's more of a win win thing for ISPs because if they cache torrents then they only download them once so popular torrents only use a mere fraction of transit compared to everything seeding it from overseas peers costing them precious international bandwidth.

It will also speed up the download of unpopular torrents with hardly any seeds, the transparent cache gets it as fast it can while the client gets it at max speed from the cache, once it's finished the next person to download the torrent will get full line speed instead of a slow seed thanks to the torrent cache.

and wouldn't the ISP then be legally liable for 'distributing' the "linux server ISO's"???

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#1102273 4-Aug-2014 23:50

PhantomNVD:
charsleysa:
insane:
charsleysa: One feature that I think would be useful to have is a transparent torrent cache in which torrents that your customers download get cached on a internal network server and then the torrent client just leeches from the server while the server leeches from peers.

By nature of torrents and their many many connections there isn't much of a speed benefit unless your international transit is saturated or being artificially limited. If I fire up a well seeded single torrent I'll get around 75% of my plan speed. Two or three going at the same time and it stays pegged at my line speed until I run low on things to pull down :)

Caches typically need many many users to have them seeded properly, but as ISPs grow it makes some sense for sure, and the likes of Vodafone, Slingshot, Orcon, Telecom do just that with their PeerApp, Oversi, BlueCoats etc etc.

It's more of a win win thing for ISPs because if they cache torrents then they only download them once so popular torrents only use a mere fraction of transit compared to everything seeding it from overseas peers costing them precious international bandwidth.

It will also speed up the download of unpopular torrents with hardly any seeds, the transparent cache gets it as fast it can while the client gets it at max speed from the cache, once it's finished the next person to download the torrent will get full line speed instead of a slow seed thanks to the torrent cache.

and wouldn't the ISP then be legally liable for 'distributing' the "linux server ISO's"???

I'm not too sure about NZ but I know the USA has the DMCA which protects ISPs as long as they follow procedure (although it doesn't seem to be worth much if you take a look at Megaupload).

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#1102274 4-Aug-2014 23:51

They don't keep all of it, just something like 99%

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#1108664 14-Aug-2014 20:45

On first read this looks a bit fanciful, but could you please tell us what your background and experience in the Internet industry is?

I have worked in the Internet industry for 17 years, 15 as a SysAdmin. The longer I worked at it, the more I standardised networks and services. Yes, that's right. Nothing special. The same stuff as you can get from several other players. I've never bought the flashest/newest equipment either. I love exlease, top brand, midrange model gear. The (fool?) who had it before took a massive hit on it and I pick it up for very cheap while it's still very usable.

My thoughts are - if you had the necessary experience you'd already know many of the answers. If you don't have the experience, back out now or (as a previous poster aptly stated) you really will lose your shirt.

Coming here and asking a somewhat techy audience what they want is a road to disaster. At the risk of offending a few people here (not intended to upset anyone) I'll give you a good hint - Most of the people present here won't pay you enough for it to work for a company your size - and of the one's which are prepared to pay, they won't deal with you. They already have contacts.

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