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Topic # 183802 30-Oct-2015 15:23
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For the last 6 months Ezra and the Wiry team (Justin) have been working our rings off to ship our most ambitious project to date - kandid.nz. We're bloody excited about this software as a service with a couple of thousand hours having been lovingly poured into developing another NZ Saas product that can get some export dollars flowing and make NZ awesomer. So I thought I'd post a little bit about it here on Geekzone and ask for a bit of feedback from you good folk.

What is kandid?

Kandid.nz is a new way for IT folks to get paid what they think they're worth. Anyone with skills in the IT sector can register on the site, and load their skills and experience - setting a $ rate that they want to be paid. They'll end up with an online profile where folks can search for specific skills, and have concrete expectations about how much they'll be paying the geeks they hire. Who's it for? Developers, Designers, Business Analysts, Technical people, Project managers, in fact anyone who is involved in the production of the IT industry. Especially if you're in a role at the moment and thinking about dipping your toe in the job market with minimal hassle. Eg.



Ask for top $$$

Have a crack and put your top rate up, an amount that you'd feel a bit embarrassed asking for. One hundred percent of the advertised $$$ go to you, so because there's no agency taking a cut, you can add 10%-30% on top of what you'd normally get. You might be surprised. Good quality IT people are in massive demand right now and the ball is squarely in our court. In fact it's been exceptionally hard developing kandid for this very reason - I've been turning down on average, a couple of job offers a week as a Designer and Front-end developer with AngularJS skills! (did I mention kandid is built using Angular).



How does it work?

When someone is looking for a geek with your skills they search for any those skills in the search box. The results of all the people in the system with the corresponding skill sets display in a list as per the picture below. If the searcher wants to see the contact details of the geek in the list, then they add them to their shortlist. An email gets pinged out to the geek, with details about the organisation and person who's searching them. Simple as that.



What are those crazy numbers on the tiles?

I'm quietly pretty chuffed with the design work that's gone in to represent the skills search. The basic unit of information is what's called the skill tile - a rectangle design element that contains all the information about a persons given skill within their skill-set. It has all the information needed to know about someone's experience, projects and qualifications in that given skill:



Register and get amongst it

So if you have IT skills go for it and sign up - let me know what you think of it and what we can improve. Anyone with experience who wants to shoot for top dollar can register. And at it's core it's a system built for geeks by geeks, so geekzone is the perfect place to get feedback.

Thanks :)

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  Reply # 1417121 30-Oct-2015 16:06
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The design looks quite nice, I must say. Did you consider a mouseover/hover tooltip on the skill tile to explain the areas (and maybe on the login button, since I thought it was a logout button at first!), for those who may not read to the bottom of the front page and/or forget easily? :)

I have to ask, how do you intend to monetize this, given it reads as if there is no cost to either party involved?




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  Reply # 1417134 30-Oct-2015 16:20
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Hey thanks for the feedback :) - good point about the login button. Not necessarily a universal icon right?

Once we have 200 people registered in the system I'm going to set the search live. The search will be open so anyone can search the skills but won't be able to see the name of the people that result. Anyone who wants to see who the searched geek is will have to pay a small amount to display the name and contact details which will also trigger an account signup process for the employer. Does that make sense? The idea is that rather than paying a huge amount of money based on a recruiters commission, people will pay a small up front fee for multiple candidates who have the right skills and experience for the job.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1417173 30-Oct-2015 16:45
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Signed up - the Skills DB looks a bit sparse at the moment for an infra person! 

An import/scraper for an existing linkedin profile would be nice - not sure what sort of data they expose via APIs.

When you add a qualification are you required to link it to a skill? For me I have a BBus which doesn't relate directly to my IT skills, but want it on my profile.

When adding a skill from the qualifications section, the number of years drop down was blank for me in Chrome.

The requirement for a profile pic at signup may put some people off - is it really a requirement? What sort of filtering/moderation are you doing to stop dodgy pics?



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  Reply # 1417177 30-Oct-2015 16:51
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Signed up thanks - looks interesting.
What map did you use to populate your "City/base location" list? There is some NZ outside those areas offered ;)
I tend to offer most service remotely and travel when required - I know there are others doing the same. An indication of this ability may be useful also.

Look forward to seeing how it evolves! 

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  Reply # 1417367 30-Oct-2015 21:17
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Signing up right away.

Interested to see how this will shape up.




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  Reply # 1418332 1-Nov-2015 20:32
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Great feedback Wasabi2k - thanks! In answer to your q's:

the Skills DB looks a bit sparse at the moment for an infra person!


You can free add any skills you want to cool - we have a cron that runs and generates a JSON file based on the skills in the database, so as more folks sign up more skills will populate.

An import/scraper for an existing linkedin profile would be nice - not sure what sort of data they expose via APIs.


LinkedIn have been a bit dickish and closed off a lot of their API in the last while. But we'll definitely be trying to figure out a way to make the process easier in the future for adding skills. The idea is to keep refining based on feedback from the community.

When you add a qualification are you required to link it to a skill? For me I have a BBus which doesn't relate directly to my IT skills, but want it on my profile.


No qual link required. Once search is open potential employers will be paying to see a profile, and the profile page complete with skills will be linked. So any added quals will be beneficial even if they aren't linked to skills.

When adding a skill from the qualifications section, the number of years drop down was blank for me in Chrome.


Hmmm - OS and Chrome version please. I'll jump back into browser stack and check it out to see if I can replicate it. laughing

The requirement for a profile pic at signup may put some people off - is it really a requirement? What sort of filtering/moderation are you doing to stop dodgy pics?


Yeah we debated this quite a bit, but in the end decided the profile pic was core info for most systems now days. Initially flagging will be manually moderated, but don't anticipate it being too much of an issue. have aways believed people behave the way you treat them. Being on the tools side of the fence we want kandid to be as open and in the spirit of the web as possible. Very much MINASWAN on this one. We've even taken the bold step of open sourcing our company policy under an Apache 2.0 license so the community can shape the culture of kandid they way they see it - https://github.com/wiry/kandid-policy-document

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What map did you use to populate your "City/base location" list? There is some NZ outside those areas offered ;)


We've been revisiting the best way to arrange location. There's been a few of our international dev friends sign up and they've been disappointed that it's only NZ based, so expect a rejig of the location system in the very near future. Thinking at this stage we'll probably have a default set and advanced set of search feature based around base location and current location. Watch this space.

Feel free to pass on the URL to any peeps who you think might benefit from Kandid too. We've got a few ideas about how to market it, but as there's just two of local NZers doing all the work it's very much a David and Goliath situation, so we need all the help we can get.



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  Reply # 1418527 2-Nov-2015 09:02
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We've got quite a few of these character tiles on the go too. :thumbsup: or :thumbsdown: ?

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  Reply # 1418534 2-Nov-2015 09:09
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ezytiger: We've been revisiting the best way to arrange location. There's been a few of our international dev friends sign up and they've been disappointed that it's only NZ based, so expect a rejig of the location system in the very near future. Thinking at this stage we'll probably have a default set and advanced set of search feature based around base location and current location. Watch this space.


Thanks.
Seems to me a good starting fallback would be to include all NZ regions :)



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  Reply # 1418536 2-Nov-2015 09:13
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That seems like a good way to do it - Regional location then Base location. That would cover an area where someone was looking to work but also leave their base location as a secondary search. 

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  Reply # 1418618 2-Nov-2015 10:15
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Just a note, I took a lookie and the first thing i noticed was it's slow - all.js despite being only 600kb was taking 3 seconds to pull. The site seems to be hosted in Asia at ~250ms and is coming in via Telstra Reach for a few transit providers.

For something like this in NZ it really need to be launched with the site sitting in NZ, Or atleast helped with Cloudflare :)




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  Reply # 1418706 2-Nov-2015 12:25
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That's interesting - I never realised the ping was that slow! We're using Digital Ocean servers as our backend API is built on Rails. Our front-end is Angular so once the JS is downloaded initially, everythiong should load pretty smartly as it's mostly http requests between the front-end and the API. But will definitely look at decreasing that server ping in future. Here's the traceroute for anyone interested.


 

1  192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)  1718.410 ms  1.602 ms  1.891 ms

 

2  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  3.961 ms  2.886 ms  3.134 ms

 

3  118-92-31-254.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (118.92.31.254)  7.737 ms  7.419 ms  7.702 ms

 

4  bvi-400.bgnzftc02.akl.vf.net.nz (203.109.180.226)  9.378 ms  8.253 ms  9.687 ms

 

5  bvi-188.bgnzftc02.akl.vf.net.nz (203.109.180.225)  8.927 ms  9.418 ms  9.805 ms

 

6  10.123.80.9 (10.123.80.9)  33.373 ms  32.697 ms  33.107 ms

 

7  ten-1-0-0-640.bdr03.syd03.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.200.221)  34.513 ms  33.299 ms  34.458 ms

 

8  bundle-103.cor03.syd03.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.56)  33.850 ms

 

    bundle-103.cor01.syd04.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.58)  34.315 ms

 

    bundle-103.cor03.syd03.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.56)  35.532 ms

 

9  bundle-101.bdr01.syd01.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.49)  33.277 ms

 

    bundle-100.bdr01.syd01.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.51)  34.539 ms

 

    bundle-101.bdr01.syd01.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.49)  34.464 ms

 

10  bundle-ether37.ken-edge902.sydney.telstra.net (139.130.196.237)  35.262 ms  33.262 ms  33.749 ms

 

11  bundle-ether14.ken-core10.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.11.96)  34.680 ms  34.943 ms  34.585 ms

 

12  bundle-ether1.oxf-gw10.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.97)  35.397 ms  34.601 ms  35.707 ms

 

13  bundle-ether1.sydo-core04.sydney.reach.com (203.50.13.94)  34.002 ms  34.097 ms  33.950 ms

 

14  i-0-1-0-14.sydp-core03.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.223.21)  34.577 ms  34.490 ms  36.428 ms

 

15  i-0-3-0-4.hkhh-core02.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.143.25)  151.303 ms  148.770 ms

 

    i-0-4-0-0.hkhh-core02.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.141.49)  156.520 ms

 

16  i-0-2-0-1.istt-core02.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.249.162)  185.057 ms  182.476 ms  183.562 ms

 

17  i-0-0-0-0.istt02.bi.telstraglobal.net (202.84.180.158)  184.834 ms  183.622 ms  185.346 ms

 

18  unknown.telstraglobal.net (202.127.73.138)  183.676 ms  184.099 ms  182.683 ms

 

19  103.253.144.234 (103.253.144.234)  183.528 ms  184.879 ms  183.672 ms

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  Reply # 1418709 2-Nov-2015 12:29
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ezytiger: That's interesting - I never realised the ping was that slow! We're using Digital Ocean servers as our backend API is built on Rails. Our front-end is Angular so once the JS is downloaded initially, everythiong should load pretty smartly as it's mostly http requests between the front-end and the API. But will definitely look at decreasing that server ping in future. Here's the traceroute for anyone interested.

 


 

1  192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)  1718.410 ms  1.602 ms  1.891 ms

 

2  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  3.961 ms  2.886 ms  3.134 ms

 

3  118-92-31-254.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (118.92.31.254)  7.737 ms  7.419 ms  7.702 ms

 

4  bvi-400.bgnzftc02.akl.vf.net.nz (203.109.180.226)  9.378 ms  8.253 ms  9.687 ms

 

5  bvi-188.bgnzftc02.akl.vf.net.nz (203.109.180.225)  8.927 ms  9.418 ms  9.805 ms

 

6  10.123.80.9 (10.123.80.9)  33.373 ms  32.697 ms  33.107 ms

 

7  ten-1-0-0-640.bdr03.syd03.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.200.221)  34.513 ms  33.299 ms  34.458 ms

 

8  bundle-103.cor03.syd03.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.56)  33.850 ms

 

    bundle-103.cor01.syd04.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.58)  34.315 ms

 

    bundle-103.cor03.syd03.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.56)  35.532 ms

 

9  bundle-101.bdr01.syd01.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.49)  33.277 ms

 

    bundle-100.bdr01.syd01.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.51)  34.539 ms

 

    bundle-101.bdr01.syd01.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.49)  34.464 ms

 

10  bundle-ether37.ken-edge902.sydney.telstra.net (139.130.196.237)  35.262 ms  33.262 ms  33.749 ms

 

11  bundle-ether14.ken-core10.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.11.96)  34.680 ms  34.943 ms  34.585 ms

 

12  bundle-ether1.oxf-gw10.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.97)  35.397 ms  34.601 ms  35.707 ms

 

13  bundle-ether1.sydo-core04.sydney.reach.com (203.50.13.94)  34.002 ms  34.097 ms  33.950 ms

 

14  i-0-1-0-14.sydp-core03.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.223.21)  34.577 ms  34.490 ms  36.428 ms

 

15  i-0-3-0-4.hkhh-core02.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.143.25)  151.303 ms  148.770 ms

 

    i-0-4-0-0.hkhh-core02.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.141.49)  156.520 ms

 

16  i-0-2-0-1.istt-core02.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.249.162)  185.057 ms  182.476 ms  183.562 ms

 

17  i-0-0-0-0.istt02.bi.telstraglobal.net (202.84.180.158)  184.834 ms  183.622 ms  185.346 ms

 

18  unknown.telstraglobal.net (202.127.73.138)  183.676 ms  184.099 ms  182.683 ms

 

19  103.253.144.234 (103.253.144.234)  183.528 ms  184.879 ms  183.672 ms

 



Yeah Digital Ocean Singapore region is well known for terrible routing to NZ/Aus - it has been an issue since it first launched and they have stated they have no plans to fix it. 
Even though it is good cheap hosting it basically makes it unusable as a host for a NZ website.

Edit: Also their a quite a few hosts in Singapre/Aus that offer similar pricing but much better routing that DO.

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Do you have categories for Wordpress, SEO, or website performance work? If so I might register. I would be happier not to have my full real name publicly listed.




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  Reply # 1418714 2-Nov-2015 12:40
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In the current plan, exactly what member information is provided to your customers?

Imho you really want to avoid being in the business of selling cvs and or contact details.



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 jbard: Yeah Digital Ocean Singapore region is well known for terrible routing to NZ/Aus - it has been an issue since it first launched and they have stated they have no plans to fix it. 
Even though it is good cheap hosting it basically makes it unusable as a host for a NZ website.


They are nice and cheap (to start with at least) - but the big thing for us is a host that can scale. I might try and do a traceroute on their San Fran server, and failing that a CDN might be a good option. It's looking slow from the US to Singapore also - http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/uz6oR/kandid.nz

timmmay: Do you have categories for Wordpress, SEO, or website performance work? If so I might register. I would be happier not to have my full real name publicly listed.


Absolutely - anyone involved in IT is who kandid is for - so Wordpress, SEO and website performance are right up there. Once entered, any new skills get picked up by a nightly cron and will appear eventually in typeahead after that. So you'll probably be the first person entering some of the skills which will populate the skills typeahead file. smile And there's no personal details that are public. People only see your name, profile pic and contact details if they create an account and add you to a shortlist. You'll get an email at each step of the process which will tell you when someone wants to access your profile. And we've thrown our company policy open so if you'd like to define exactly how we use your data, join the fork/commit panel over on Github. We're on the IT side of things ourselves, building a system that we'd like to use (and probably will) wink. One of the reasons for building is because I got pretty fed up with the existing 'recruitment' process and that 'human capital' BS.

 gzt: In the current plan, exactly what member information is provided to your customers?

Imho you really want to avoid being in the business of selling cvs and or contact details.


We're trying to provide as few details as possible for the person looking to hire. Justin and I made a specific decision to not include CVs because we wanted to strip it back to the skills tile as the primary unit of info. So most of the details are pretty standard for reg - name, profile pic, contact details etc. You can add links for things like Stackoverflow and Github accounts, but that's totally up to you. The more info you load the more chance you probably have to get good engagement, but it's mostly up to you. So far have been talking to Xero and Trademe and they're into it. But all depends on quality people with good skills on the site.

Here's the design of the details form if you want to take a look at the fields though smile. And most aren't compulsory, just core details. We're big on letting the kandid community feedback about how the website's data is presented. Which is why we've open sourced our Policy Document on Github under an Apache 2.0 licence. Privacy is blank pending the first commit - so feel free to fork the repo and add your 2c wink . Our first priority is IT folks, and absolutely key to the quality of the kandid community. We'll only be as successful as the people who register and get good quality use from the site after all. 

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