Driver for screws and impact driver for drilling into things including concrete?

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#2392584 15-Jan-2020 14:10

I bought a cheap mains powered Ozito hammer drill for about $20 10 years ago just to drill one hole in concrete and I've used it dozens of times now. It's cheap and it feels it, but I've well had $20 of use from it.

For just general screwing and drilling an cordless drill is a good all rounder and if you don't use it much one of the cheap ones will still probably last you ages. An impact driver is for longer or larger screws and has a lot more torque but is not meant for drilling.

The cheap driver you linked would be ok for shorter screws, but honestly myself if that's all I needed I'd use a regular screwdriver and some wrist power.

You do notice the difference with cheap tools though, I have an XU1 18V drill and a ryobi one+ drill and there is a huge difference in speed and torque using them. I actually bought the XU1 thinking I'd salvage the battery cells out of it to repair an old ryobi battery but decided against it. I'd sell it to you for $20 if you were in Hamilton

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#2392588 15-Jan-2020 14:27

If you want a cheap all round drill that can do simple drilling into concrete, you could consider this - https://www.bunnings.co.nz/ozito-13mm-710w-hammer-drill_p06290655

I purchased one of these ~8 years ago for the odd concrete job and with a masonry drill bit it hasn't let me down. I've used 8, 10 & 12mm masonry bits with no trouble. I also used it when building a climbing wall and drilled over 4000 holes through 18mm ply with a spade bit and normal bits for the 2x4 and 2x6 framing. You wouldn't want to use this for putting screws in, not enough control. Oh, it also weighs more than a handheld drill and battery unit, so can be awkward.

I use either a my Ryobi One+ Drill (it's done thousands of screws, especially with the 2500+ in the new deck) or Impact driver for putting screws in depending on if I require torque control or not.

The Red and Black Ozito Power X Change tools are also pretty decent as they are just re-badged Einhell tools, still made in China obviously, but for the German/European market originally.

Yes you can buy plenty of drill bits with a hex fitting, although you would only want to use this with very soft wood in a little screw driver.

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#2392610 15-Jan-2020 16:15

mrdrifter:

If you want a cheap all round drill that can do simple drilling into concrete, you could consider this - https://www.bunnings.co.nz/ozito-13mm-710w-hammer-drill_p06290655

Hmmmmm that is very tempting, especially as it has a 13mm chuck. That combined with the Ozito driver kit which has a full bit set with it, is $80 all up of all Im ever going to need.

Outside drill bits.

This reminds me of a Qld property I was renovating, was under the house (they put them on smal concrete piles), was trying to put it clips to hold the storm/grey water piping as I had just replaced the down pipe. I swear I had a mega expensive hammer drill and diamond tip drills bits and it would not drill or bite into the wood. It was hard wood clearly, but over 100 years it had petrified and turned into something very confronting. I forget how I resolved it haha, but was a nightmare job.

Luckily these tools are just for the occasional pre drill hole for self tappering screws etc. Thats why I wonder if I could get away with out the hammer drill.

RE using a screw driver, yeah been doing that and have made a total mess haha.

The other issue is my new place is a very high quality home made from only the highest grade materials so I dont want to ruin them.

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#2392632 15-Jan-2020 17:21

You can drill a hole into masonry without a hammer drill. Simply use a masonry bit with any normal drill. It won't work quite as efficiently but it will work for smaller holes.

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#2392653 15-Jan-2020 18:15

I think I will get the Ozito driver for taking apart the furniture and test its power, if its good enough I will buy hex drill bit just for the pine bed which needs some screws to tighten it but needs pre drilled holes to avoid it cracking etc

Self tapering screws to hang pictures and the like will be fine in Gib Rock imo

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#2392665 15-Jan-2020 18:47

TeaLeaf:

Self tapering screws to hang pictures and the like will be fine in Gib Rock imo

Or just use picture hooks https://www.bunnings.co.nz/tic-picture-hang-angle-drive-hooks-brass-plated-8kg_p00173841

A lot less damage to Gib

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#2392667 15-Jan-2020 19:01

As a follow up to what I said above, I prefer to start off a hole into masonry without using the hammer action. This is because the hammer action can cause the drill bit to jump off the surface as you start drilling the hole and that can cause damage on the surface.

Also if the hole you're drilling has to be in a precise spot you don't want the bit jumping off to one side and drilling somewhere else.

Once the hole is say 10 mm deep and is in the correct spot, you can engage hammer mode and drill away. :)

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#2399121 16-Jan-2020 16:12

Picture hooks are easy non fuss. or those removable ones from 3m, but not sure what size id trust them up to.

I think the driver is more for putting things together or taking apart. And drilling self tapering to repaire my slat bed, I still think it would pay to predrill the hole, its only pine, but other self tapers have made a mess of the wood.

Comeplete opposite to the $4k solid Rmiu Slat I own, its gorgeous but F.... heavy. easy curved slat rubber holders just go in a hole etc, everything uses pre drilled industrial bolts etc. Its a dream with an electric tool, hand tools and it gets tiring. But once together I have a FIRM Sealy Posturepedic mattress. Fantastic for a bad back.

Then there are the tables and the tv cabinet etc.

So right now all I need a drill for is to fix the pine slat bed, so I think the single hex drill bit should go ok on the Ozito driver. I will test its torque first when using it to take things apart etc.

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#2399158 16-Jan-2020 17:27

If you don't want to drill holes, then you need self drilling screws, a self tapping is usually for metal, not wood. Commonly called drywall screws even tho those a a specific type of self driller.

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#2400958 17-Jan-2020 20:20

djtOtago:
The drill / driver kit linked to the in the OP are not suitable for drilling into concrete. As asked in the topic title.
Impact drivers are for driving long screws into hard wood. Not concrete.

You need a hammer drill for concrete.

And you also typically want a corded drill for that. Battery-powered is OK for portability, but if you're going to be doing heavy-duty work you want to run it from mains power.

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#2400972 17-Jan-2020 21:21

You want a hammer drill/driver. It's a 3 in one tool! Has a hammer function for concrete/masonry, drill mode for drilling holes into wood etc, and a screwdriving mode to put in screws.
I can also recommend ryobi as that's what I personally started with and it's great for diy and the homeowner.

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#2401014 17-Jan-2020 23:43

Dugimodo:

An impact driver is for longer or larger screws and has a lot more torque but is not meant for drilling.

Actually they're brilliant for spade bits and tri-flute bits like Irwin Speedbor, especially if you're enlarging an old hole where the screw on the tip doesn't have anything to bite. I chuck my impact driver on speed 3 (max speed/torque) and it tears through much quicker than a drill. The other bonus is that if you do hit something and it bites, you don't have to worry about breaking your wrist etc.

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#2401233 18-Jan-2020 13:02

neb:
djtOtago:

The drill / driver kit linked to the in the OP are not suitable for drilling into concrete. As asked in the topic title.
Impact drivers are for driving long screws into hard wood. Not concrete.

You need a hammer drill for concrete.

And you also typically want a corded drill for that. Battery-powered is OK for portability, but if you're going to be doing heavy-duty work you want to run it from mains power.

Other than in my drill guide or for mixing paint, I dont think I have used a plug in drill for probably close to 20 years now. Perhaps if I needed some giant SDS thing I would look at getting another mains ones of those, otherwise my battery hammer drill or SDS do everything I have needed around the house. If I have more chipping of concrete to do then I have used the SDS one for so far I will get a proper jackhammer sized thing from bunnings rather than just a drill that can also hammer.

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#2401235 18-Jan-2020 13:04

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Actually they're brilliant for spade bits and tri-flute bits like Irwin Speedbor, especially if you're enlarging an old hole where the screw on the tip doesn't have anything to bite. I chuck my impact driver on speed 3 (max speed/torque) and it tears through much quicker than a drill. The other bonus is that if you do hit something and it bites, you don't have to worry about breaking your wrist etc.

Just dont put one of those little chucks into an impact and use standard drill bits - usually the ones with a hex shaft are impact rated but there are some junk ones around made for those toy screwdrivers like the OP was looking at which just break or unwind the spiral in an impact.

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#2401237 18-Jan-2020 13:11

richms:
Other than in my drill guide or for mixing paint, I dont think I have used a plug in drill for probably close to 20 years now. Perhaps if I needed some giant SDS thing I would look at getting another mains ones of those, otherwise my battery hammer drill or SDS do everything I have needed around the house. If I have more chipping of concrete to do then I have used the SDS one for so far I will get a proper jackhammer sized thing from bunnings rather than just a drill that can also hammer.

I've had to drill holes for coach bolts for a staircase and similar where I really appreciated having a plug-in drill. Admittedly I have a pretty cheap cordless, but I was amazed at how much better a 20+ year old plugin drill did than the cordless for this.

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