Driver for screws and impact driver for drilling into things including concrete?

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TeaLeaf

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#262172 8-Jan-2020 17:09

I need to fix my TV cabinet and fix a lot of thing and put up a of large paintings etc.

Is this a good deal for $199 for both tools? https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/black-decker-li-ion-drill-and-impact-driver-18-volt/p/268250

And what is a good drill and driver bit set?

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#2387555 8-Jan-2020 17:37

Yeah I think that's a good deal for what you get.

The specs don't state what size chuck the drill has. If it's only 10 mm, that limits it by a lot.

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#2387586 8-Jan-2020 18:42

Be careful with B&D - I've heard so many times they don't last very long before the motor gives up - and a 10mm chuck is pretty small - but if it's just for the odd job screwing things in you're probably okay

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#2387591 8-Jan-2020 18:57

13mm chuck size is better.

PANiCnz

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#2387594 8-Jan-2020 19:02

I think I'd probably buy Ozito before I'd buy B&D again. Have a look at Ryobi instead:

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/ryobi-18v-one-2-piece-combo-kit_p00111781

djtOtago

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#2387608 8-Jan-2020 20:02

The drill / driver kit linked to the in the OP are not suitable for drilling into concrete. As asked in the topic title.
Impact drivers are for driving long screws into hard wood. Not concrete.

You need a hammer drill for concrete.

djtOtago

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#2387616 8-Jan-2020 20:21

I haven't used any of these, but for occasional home use I would start by looking at some thing like...

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/black-decker-hammer-drill-18-volt/p/304483 as a cheapish battery option.
or
https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/jobmate-rotary-hammer-drill-1000-watt/p/292367 as a cheapish mains powered option.

Personally if you think you might be drilling 8mm dia plus holes in concrete, I would go with the second option.

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#2387618 8-Jan-2020 20:27

I have bought 4 black and decker lithium battery tools, and all 4 have had the battery die on them. Absolute junk IMO. Go ryobi who actually put a BMS in the pack to stop it draining to nothing and then refusing to work.

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/ryobi-18v-one-2-piece-combo-kit_p00111781

No hammer drill in that either, but its cheaper and gets you in on a platform with a hell of a lot more tools for it.

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/ryobi-18v-one-1-5ah-5-0ah-hammer-drill-kit_p00087752

Hammer drill kit, actually pretty good when I have used one.

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#2389581 10-Jan-2020 10:52

We bought the B&D EPC182K2-XE in 2015 which of course has now been updated. This cordless drill has served us well, being the family DIYer. The drill has no problems with 10g 100mm screws into solid pine with no need for pre-drilling with the battery lasting in excess of 2 hours continuous work. For any real heavy jobs including concrete/masonry work we use a Bosh electric hammer drill.

The Mitre10 drill you posted is now discontinued. Black+Decker Li-ion Drill And Impact Driver 18 Volt BDCDDIM18B-XE
as it has been updated.

But have a look at B&D range of drills here or go for what others have suggested.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2389602 10-Jan-2020 11:31

djtOtago:
I haven't used any of these, but for occasional home use I would start by looking at some thing like...

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/black-decker-hammer-drill-18-volt/p/304483 as a cheapish battery option.
or
https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/jobmate-rotary-hammer-drill-1000-watt/p/292367 as a cheapish mains powered option.

Personally if you think you might be drilling 8mm dia plus holes in concrete, I would go with the second option.

The problem with occasional home use is the batteries aren't likely to be much use the next time you get the urge. SDS rotary hammer drills are fine for heavy work but not many paintings need 8mm hole in concrete. You might be able to get smaller SDS bits but they are more expensive. I'd buy a corded hammer drill 1st and worry about battery drills if you find that you are actually diying on a regular basis. My 1st drill was a 2nd hand commercial quality hammer drill for $40 and it's still going 50 years later. I still see good corded drills in 2nd hand stores but I already have too many 😀

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#2391121 13-Jan-2020 16:40

Thanks all.

Can you use a hammer drill for screwing? Is the problem they dont have a clutch so when they hit resistance they keep drilling?

What is the clutch refered to when a screw hits its resistance point and the drill stops turning the bit round and round just the outside of it?

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#2391124 13-Jan-2020 16:42

Not a plug in hammer drill, those are useless for anything but hammer drilling, Usually have hopeless speed control that has no torque when slow so cant even control it that way.

Most battery ones have 3 positions for hammer, drill and screw. But an impact driver is so much better for putting in screws that I never use my drill for that anymore.

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#2391125 13-Jan-2020 16:44

What about a right angle driver for around home? So many times its frustrating with no space to put a an impact driver into a space?

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/ryobi-one-18v-right-angle-drill-skin-only_p00268731

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#2391127 13-Jan-2020 16:49

TeaLeaf:

What about a right angle driver for around home? So many times its frustrating with no space to put a an impact driver into a space?

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/ryobi-one-18v-right-angle-drill-skin-only_p00268731

I bought that to do one thing, and its a flimsy piece of junk, Cant even handle a 22mm auger bit thru pine. Might be OK for screws but its a pretty lousy speed control on it where the torque goes to nothing at low speeds and no clutch so more likly to cam out and ruin the screw head.

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#2392571 15-Jan-2020 13:32

Well an aussie mate recommended one of these just for driving?

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/ozito-3-6v-screwdriver-torch-with-charging-base_p06290559

Is it possible to buy a drill bit that has a hex base, just so I can use this to pre drill some holes in pine. One of my beds needs some screws put in but I dont want to splint or fracture wood. If this cheap tool could just do a basic pre drill hole, that is all I need.

If I end up running dyna boults into concrete, I will higher hammer drill when the time comes.

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#2392574 15-Jan-2020 13:38

Answered my own question. I will likely choose a generic single bit for now and add to it 1 at a time given the $25 is not expensive but just to keep costs to what I need. The ozito has a LOT of different driver bits>

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/bosch-metal-drill-bit-set-hss-g/p/278059

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