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  #2896448 3-Apr-2022 21:54
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insane: Huh, quite interesting indeed!

Even through Frank Energy and Genesis Energy are one and the same, there's a $520 / year difference for me. I guess it's similar to Spark & Skinny, with the only difference being there is zero difference in service between the power coming out of the walls or gas through the lines.

I could have apparently saved another $30 by using two different providers.

Just changed.to Frank... But annoyed Genesis had me in such an inappropriate plan for the last 4 years. Could have saved $400 by just changing Genesis plans alone.

 

Congrats on your new found savings.

 

 

 

Sad reality is that the most profitable way to businesses to operate these days is to milk their "sticky" or loyal customer's. While offering more attractive deals to new / actively shopping customers.

 

Common way to do this is to introduce and market new plans for customers who are shopping around, while quietly increasing prices on legacy plans that people signed up to years ago. Introducing a whole new lower cost sub brand does take this to the next level somewhat.

 

As you say, at least with skinny / spark, there are some service differences, such as call forwarding not being permitted on skinny (spouse ended up moving to 2 degrees for this reason.

 

 

 

In a lot of way's it would be nice if we had just kept the NZ electricity board. Hence avoiding the need for each power company to have a high paid CEO and marketing team, a marketing team, expensive adverts etc. And I wouldn't have needed to have spent my Sunday afternoon shopping power company websites, in order to stay on a good deal. 


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  #2896458 3-Apr-2022 22:34
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timmmay:

 

I can get about 20% of my power usage in that free hour, give or take 10% depending on the day. How water, drier, washing machine sometimes, dishwasher, both heat pumps come on. You soon discover any weak links in your power when you pull in 60 - 80 for an hour! We blew a pole fuse early on, apparently it was faulty and took a half day to get it replaced. Tend to use 5am.

 

Between that, 50% off 11pm to 7am, and daytime power a bit cheaper I think we'll do pretty well.

 

 

20% is pretty impressive too.

 

I think 10pm-11pm would be the optimal free hour me. We are normally still up, and it means that tasks I start in that hour with a long duration will run over into off peak power. Hot water Cylinder is going to take more than an hour to recover from our typical evening usage. EV at 3.6kW will only gain about 20km/hr, dishwashers standard mode takes 2.5 hours, dryer takes typically around 2 hours.

 

Also it is in the shoulder period, so we would be saving 16.04c shoulder rate, rather than 10.99c off peak rate for 24/7 loads like towel rails, fridges, networking gear etc.

 

 

 

Looked at our cylinder. 3.0kW, so 13Amps @230v (Voltage is sitting at 239v in my house at the moment under fairly minimal load). 51L/h recovery at a 50c rise. 180 L capacity.

 

 

 

The whole thing about tripping pole fuses isn't ideal. Kinda stupid that power plans encourage people to push these limits. But given the EVSE that I have purchased (but need to arrange a sparky out to install), has a loop to go around the incomer, and shed that load if my house approaches it's limit, I think I will be ok.

 

Also I won't be able to time shift much heating load.

 

 


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  #2896477 4-Apr-2022 06:01
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10pm makes it easy to start things manually rather than using a timer. The advantage of the morning is you can preheat your house in winter. For example, right now our living area is being heated to 25 degrees (compared to our usual 23 during the day or 24 at night), that heats the air but also the walls and furniture and everything else to preheat the house so less heating is required during the day. Same thing is happening in the kitchen / dining area and the office.


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  #2899966 11-Apr-2022 17:16
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CYaBro:

 

JayADee:

 

Anybody got a referral to Frank? I just signed up and forgot to get one here first damn it. Hoping they'll still honour it

 




I did the same thing!
They did honour it after I signed up again with the correct referral link.

If you want to use mine:
https://frankenergy.co.nz/signup?ccode=FGF&m=A&token=XyHiDlA03%2F9N3VbyaWnOvg3j0fxlCnnPt80jbWVErv8%3D&s=S

 

 

 

 

Thanks! I got one on PM! They did honour it. For those reading it's a $50 credit to both parties.


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  #2902981 16-Apr-2022 15:33
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I had a pretty good deal with my electric company and have been with them a while but we use bottled lpg too and my lpg prices per tank with Genesis were getting too big. Frank didn't actually equate to any savings on power but the lpg difference was enough to get me to switch. I suppose next year it'll be time to compare again. We did pretty good for a few years there with not having to change.


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  #2903008 16-Apr-2022 17:27
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We've switched to Electric Kiwi after 31 years with the same company. All we received from the old company was an automated email with the obligatory 'sorry to see you go' and a note that they'll send the final bill via email. Didn't even try to dissuade us from leaving.




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  #2903019 16-Apr-2022 17:56
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Didn't even try to dissuade us from leaving.

 

 

 

They arent allowed to do that anymore. Retention deals are a thing of the past, all they can do is offer all customers the same advertised deal. 





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  #2903021 16-Apr-2022 18:18
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raytaylor:

 

Didn't even try to dissuade us from leaving.

 

 

 

They arent allowed to do that anymore. Retention deals are a thing of the past, all they can do is offer all customers the same advertised deal. 

 

 

 

 

I didn’t know that. Explains why my old company didn’t say anything.


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dont trust the information you get from Powerswitch (if you used it), some of it is out of date and doesn't include the recent changes in power prices (EK for instance pricing if from FEB)


  #2903093 16-Apr-2022 19:59
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For those with their hour of free power that are using 20% or more of their power in the free hour, how much power are you using a day or in that hour?


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  #2903098 16-Apr-2022 20:28
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Jase2985:

 

For those with their hour of free power that are using 20% or more of their power in the free hour, how much power are you using a day or in that hour?

 

I average just over 20% hour of power use as that is when my Tesla charges, and often when the HWC is heating, dishwasher is going etc.

 

 

There is month to date for me - the average is down a bit as we went away but you get the general idea.





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  #2903112 16-Apr-2022 21:06
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I changed to MoveMaster on the 2nd April. My peak is 30% free on the days that it's only me here all day.

 

The free hour is 5am - 6am. In that time I always run hot water on a timer, ducted heat pump, dining area heat pump, and dishwasher. Sometimes I run the clothes drier. Hot water use is low at the moment so it's only heating in the free hour and one more off peak hour at the moment. Laundry is done off peak or on the shoulder. I also tend to turn the ducted heating on at 4.15pm so the place is up to heat by 5pm, which is usually lifting the lounge from 21 to 24 degrees. I use whatever power I need on peak, I just move things to shoulder or off peak when it's convenient. No electric car, if I had one of those I'd probably have a lot more off peak usage.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Jase2985:

 

dont trust the information you get from Powerswitch (if you used it), some of it is out of date and doesn't include the recent changes in power prices (EK for instance pricing if from FEB)

 

 

Yes depends on when pricing was last updated, however a number of providers have just updated in April ie: Genesis, Frank, Mercury and Powershop

 

Tried switching to Genesis as the new rates are competitive for us however their website totally fails, the link from powerswitch with the ICP isn't used it takes you to a generic join form that doesn't work for our address.

 

Similar problem on Frank (which is also Genesis) our addresses resolves to our neighbours ICP.. classic, I wonder how many run into these basic issues and give up on that provider, I won't be spending any time chasing them to fix their systems.

 

I guess I should analyze whether Electric Kiwi Move Master would be worthwhile without excessive time shifting of usage from our normal usage....

 

 


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  #2903120 16-Apr-2022 22:05
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If you don't change your habits MoveMaster might be better, depending mostly on the peak rate, which was comparable with others peak rates. If you work from home, if you can turn your heating on a bit earlier, if you can put a few appliances on delay sometimes it works out well. If you want to spend $250 - $400 to put a timer on your hot water it will likely pay back within a year.


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Ragnor:

 

I guess I should analyze whether Electric Kiwi Move Master would be worthwhile without excessive time shifting of usage from our normal usage....

 

 

I have a device at home which measures my power every 6 seconds so i have a heap of very granular data so using the hourly info i did a spreadsheet up last night to compare our current rate, our upcoming rate and EK move master and even on our new rate (anytime) we are about 7-10$ less per month than EK, but that is before the hour of free power.

 

without doing any power shifting we would likely only save about $10 per month, with power shifting it could be up around $20 but would require getting a timer fitted to the HWC at a cost.

 

So for us yes there is a small saving but not worth jumping and switching until we can shift more load.

 

Powerswitch says anywhere up to a $320 saving per year but they dont have the rates of our current plan and their prices arent updated for EK. hence why i dont trust it that much as it seems to be out by a few hundred $$.


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