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  #3318518 9-Dec-2024 19:52
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olivernz: Ethernet I'd say run a cable next to every power outlet even if you don't use them.

 

I definitely wouldn't do that, you're going to get all manner of mains voltages and noise coupled onto the Ethernet cables if you run them next to mains wiring.

 

This can also lead to interesting results if you're using a high-impedance multimeter to check for the presence of voltages on wiring, a high-impedance meter will report the presence of ghost voltages coupled across from other lines, which is why electrician's meters have low-Z measurements that will detect and load the line sufficiently to give an actual reading.




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  #3318588 9-Dec-2024 21:28
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neb:

 

olivernz: Ethernet I'd say run a cable next to every power outlet even if you don't use them.

 

I definitely wouldn't do that, you're going to get all manner of mains voltages and noise coupled onto the Ethernet cables if you run them next to mains wiring.

 

This can also lead to interesting results if you're using a high-impedance multimeter to check for the presence of voltages on wiring, a high-impedance meter will report the presence of ghost voltages coupled across from other lines, which is why electrician's meters have low-Z measurements that will detect and load the line sufficiently to give an actual reading.

 

 

depends on how literally you take the "next too" 

 

Mine are all next to Power points in the garage, but they are separated by a stud.


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  #3318717 10-Dec-2024 10:17
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Yeah I should have been mor prescriptive. Of course they should run at the required distance from mains. I like the idea of opposite stud side as that makes finding them easy too even if that isn't quite the recommended distance. (btw, cool trick is to attach a small magnet to the end. let's you find them through walls)




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  #3318720 10-Dec-2024 10:22
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tweake:

 

that only works if you have hot roof setup. ie the insulation and air sealing layer is just under the roof and the attic is now conditioned space. i highly recommend it.

 

on normal houses it makes no difference as inside walls go up to the outside in the attic. the best bet is to simply seal around the cables and pipes coming through. ditto for under the house, often the kitchen bench, hand basin, laundry etc is open to under the house.

 

 

You are right but I'd likely still do it. It's easier to deal with interior walls than exterior. And I shudder when I see older house builds. They remind me of Swiss cheese ;-)


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  #3319197 11-Dec-2024 11:46
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neb:

 

olivernz: Ethernet I'd say run a cable next to every power outlet even if you don't use them.

 

I definitely wouldn't do that, you're going to get all manner of mains voltages and noise coupled onto the Ethernet cables if you run them next to mains wiring.

 

 

Running Ethernet to next to every power outlet doesn't always need both internal cables to take the same path. My new build (not sure if by design or if it was deliberate to avoid the issue you describe) has power and Ethernet taking different paths. For power it was more tidy, going up and down the wood frames IIRC (possibly to meet regulations perhaps?). Ethernet they just ran the cable the shortest viable path to the comms cabinet, even if that meant just running it diagonally, so it didn't really go anywhere near power for the most part. YMMV and perhaps worth bringing up with builders/sparkies/etc to ensure separations of power and Ethernet is taken into account.


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  #3319203 11-Dec-2024 12:06
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by memory there is a legal requirement for separation for the different systems.


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