New tenancy laws coming into effect Feb 11 2021

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#2634762 13-Jan-2021 11:17

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.. they wish to establish a village of like minded tiny house owners, a community. I cant really see any unintended consequences.

Provision of sewage and water to a village of these mobile homes would be something that comes to mind.

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#2634769 13-Jan-2021 11:25

I live alone, and I think it would be crazy for me to have a three bedroom house. I am happy to live in a very small space, as long as I have respectful neighbours.

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#2634775 13-Jan-2021 11:42

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.. they wish to establish a village of like minded tiny house owners, a community. I cant really see any unintended consequences.

Provision of sewage and water to a village of these mobile homes would be something that comes to mind.

For sure, as it would be for other housing developments. Electricity and roading as well.

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#2634777 13-Jan-2021 11:47

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For sure, as it would be for other housing developments. Electricity and roading as well.

Supermarkets, general shops, dairies, petrol stations, schools :)

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#2634781 13-Jan-2021 11:55

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tdgeek:

For sure, as it would be for other housing developments. Electricity and roading as well.

Supermarkets, general shops, dairies, petrol stations, schools :)

Yep, them too! :-) If someone developed an apartment block village, a tiny house village, or a regular subdivision, all of those still apply. Apartments, even more so being denser, but I support apartments as well. Not for me, but for @Alasta and many others. We all have diverse needs or wishes, they can all fit in. We still have the affordability issue, and each of these help that somewhat.

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#2634818 13-Jan-2021 13:06

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I live alone, and I think it would be crazy for me to have a three bedroom house. I am happy to live in a very small space, as long as I have respectful neighbours.

And now what is good is that if the houses are rentals next door, the bad tenants will be way way harder to move on.

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#2634971 13-Jan-2021 19:55

alasta:

I live alone, and I think it would be crazy for me to have a three bedroom house. I am happy to live in a very small space, as long as I have respectful neighbours.

The issue for some single people, would be if they needed some some exta income, having more bedrooms allows them to take on flatmates to share costs etc. eg I have heard this referred to as 'house hacking'

Likewise more bedrooms gives people more of an ability to work form home. So wouldn't be surprised in this covid world, people are looking for larger houses with more rooms, so they can still work from home and can easily get away from other people int eh house.

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#2634974 13-Jan-2021 19:59

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I believe slums to be less about construction and house sizes and more about the types of people who are attracted to them and how they behave.

That was also my opinion.

Back to tiny houses. Yes they are small, maybe 80 sq m? Doesnt include a garage so you might get a 130 sq m regular home now that is small, that also includes a garage. The tiny houses are designed to be space efficient. Add a large deck, partially covered, be quite liveable IMO. Better than a pokey apartment on the 8th floor overlooking the ANZ Bank, where you are stuck inside.

Like most things in life, horses for courses, but these themes add value to denser housing and affordable housing. And cheaper rents.

My understanding with true tiny homes, is they are designed to be moved to different locations. So many people just pay a ground rent, and their lving costs are very low. I heard a podcast of an owner of a tiny house in Auckland who lives in an idealic bush section on the back part of a house, and their living costs are very low.

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#2634990 13-Jan-2021 20:55

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The issue for some single people, would be if they needed some some exta income, having more bedrooms allows them to take on flatmates to share costs etc. eg I have heard this referred to as 'house hacking'

That's fine for younger people, but I couldn't stand having flatmates at my age.

Likewise more bedrooms gives people more of an ability to work form home. So wouldn't be surprised in this covid world, people are looking for larger houses with more rooms, so they can still work from home and can easily get away from other people int eh house.

This is a good point. I prefer to work in the office because I don't want big ugly corporate IT equipment and cables cluttering up my living space, so when I do work at home I have to get by with just the laptop.

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#2635222 14-Jan-2021 09:39

Some of you guys sound a lot like my parents, who I recently took for a drive through the newish Hobsonville Point development (my father spent a lot of time there back when it was an airbase and so was interested to see what they'd done to it). Their comments were along the lines of "Ooo it looks like Coronation Street, we could never live like that, so close to neighbours and with no large garden or back yard or two car garage".

IMHO we're going to have to get used to terraced housing and other more dense housing options. The days of everyone having a big house on a quarter acre are rapidly dwindling (unless you want to pay a million for the privilege).

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#2635307 14-Jan-2021 10:59

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alasta:

I live alone, and I think it would be crazy for me to have a three bedroom house. I am happy to live in a very small space, as long as I have respectful neighbours.

And now what is good is that if the houses are rentals next door, the bad tenants will be way way harder to move on.

And equally the (in the majority) good tenants next door way way more likely to stay on, as they now have security of tenure and the ability to hang a picture on the wall.

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#2635312 14-Jan-2021 11:19

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And equally the (in the majority) good tenants next door way way more likely to stay on, as they now have security of tenure and the ability to hang a picture on the wall.

Good tenants have always had security of tenure. Mine are even paying close on $200 a week below market rates for rent.

The picture hanging strawman is complete garbage.

Because of tenants liability now being limited to the bond or the insurance excess which ever is the lower its looking like taking out a gold plated insurance policy with low/no excess and adding the cost onto the rent is the only safe way to have tenants. Good tenants will end up paying weekly for the bad.

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#2635317 14-Jan-2021 11:38

It's like the argument that employers don't value their staff. Good staff are the most valuable asset a business can have, no way are you getting rid of good employees unless it's totally unavoidable. Same with Tenants.

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#2635667 14-Jan-2021 18:49

MurrayM:

IMHO we're going to have to get used to terraced housing and other more dense housing options. The days of everyone having a big house on a quarter acre are rapidly dwindling (unless you want to pay a million for the privilege).

yep too many people want the 1/4 acre paradise. and they are not willing to lower their expectations.

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#2635671 14-Jan-2021 19:22

Jase2985:

MurrayM:

IMHO we're going to have to get used to terraced housing and other more dense housing options. The days of everyone having a big house on a quarter acre are rapidly dwindling (unless you want to pay a million for the privilege).

yep too many people want the 1/4 acre paradise. and they are not willing to lower their expectations.

In certain places like Auckland. But NZ only has a small population, and plenty of land. The Question is what is the ideal population for NZ? WE are letting 70k people in a year, yet don't have enough house supply for them.

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