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#154151 19-Oct-2014 15:26
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I grow my vegetables in self watering growing containers I made myself, similar to the EarthBox system. Some of these vegetables such as tomatoes, capsicum, and sweet peas need to be supported otherwise they turn into a messy tangle, which I don't have space for. Here's one container, with a black wrap around it to help prevent algae growth. They only have 6 inches of loose soil, stakes won't stay up in there.



In some places in the greenhouse I can use the 4x2s of the greenhouse walls to hold up supports - I plan to use a mesh which is meant to be fencing, a meter wide with inch or so holes that I can tie the vegetables to. I need a way for this mesh to be supported either on the side of the bins, or for some of them like sugar snap pees across the centre.

As you can see with this bin my first idea was to tape bamboo stakes to the side, but in practice the tape isn't strong enough, the bamboo will move around and I think it'll come down eventually. Can anyone think of a good way to either attach the bamboo to the side of the containers, or for some self supporting system? I wouldn't like to pierce the containers, as they're full of water and soil, it would compromise their function. I could build a wooden frame, but that would block light. Cheap is good too.

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  #1157915 19-Oct-2014 15:55
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Pipe clips or u-bolts, if you don't mind making holes in the plastic containers to attach them?



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  #1157923 19-Oct-2014 16:07
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I can't make holes in the containers... they're full of water and soil, both of which would come out. I think it would have to attach to the outside of the container or be free standing.

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  #1157924 19-Oct-2014 16:08
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Make some framework out of number 8 fencing wire, or a few wire coat hangers bound together?




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  #1157930 19-Oct-2014 16:16
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That's a possibility, it might be strong enough to hold its shape and be stuck to the container or perhaps self support. It's pretty ugly though.

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  #1157934 19-Oct-2014 16:21
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You could still try using plastic pipe clips with pvc cement solvent.

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  #1157935 19-Oct-2014 16:22
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Some reinforcing wire? Square frame. Used in concreting.




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  #1157961 19-Oct-2014 16:52
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Could you not just build your wooden frame and sit your plastic containers in that? Ie, the frame would be only as big as high as the plastic container, but would run all around it for strength.

Drill some holes in it, that you can then insert your bamboo into at either end of the wooden frame, then run string between the pieces of bamboo which your plants than then be attached to? As per your picture, the bamboo would be in the exact same position with another one at the opposite end.

 
 
 

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  #1157973 19-Oct-2014 17:26
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rscole86: You could still try using plastic pipe clips with pvc cement solvent.


That's worth looking into, thanks.

BigHammer: Some reinforcing wire? Square frame. Used in concreting.


I'll ask at the hardware store, not sure what it is.

rscole86: Could you not just build your wooden frame and sit your plastic containers in that? Ie, the frame would be only as big as high as the plastic container, but would run all around it for strength.

Drill some holes in it, that you can then insert your bamboo into at either end of the wooden frame, then run string between the pieces of bamboo which your plants than then be attached to? As per your picture, the bamboo would be in the exact same position with another one at the opposite end.


Something like that could work. Even just a T (with the long part at the bottom) with a hole drilled so the bamboo sits in the wood. Or clipped to the wood. I think this general plan by be the best so far thanks :)

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  #1157993 19-Oct-2014 18:38
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You could try making a tripod sort of thing out of the bamboo poles over each one

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  #1158035 19-Oct-2014 19:45
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Tripod's an interesting idea, I'll keep that in mind thanks.

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  #1159055 21-Oct-2014 09:45
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BigHammer: Some reinforcing wire? Square frame. Used in concreting.

 



I'll ask at the hardware store, not sure what it is.

It is reinforcing mesh. lightest "building" grade is 668, 6" x 6" mesh of welded No.8 grade wire. Sheets are about 2m x 4m but can vary. Approx $50 or so. Lighter meshes are available but they are fencing styles with closer meshes.

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  #1159058 21-Oct-2014 09:51
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Ah yes, the grid of wire that goes into the concrete. That may work, it's pretty heavy stuff though.

I've also realised I could potentially hang the mesh from the ceiling of the greenhouse, which is made of 4x2s and is solid as a rock. I think my builder went a bit overboard and built it to current housing standards. You could reclad and insulate it and it'd be a nice little sleep-out. Though even now when it got to 2 degrees outside the other night it was still 10 degrees inside, according to the indoor/outdoor thermometer.

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  #1162013 25-Oct-2014 15:30
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The result! A really ugly ad hoc support one side, greenhouse 4x2 support the other, and a nail gun. Works perfectly :)

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  #1162039 25-Oct-2014 17:25
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Looks good but when you get fed up with that or reach the point where it's hard to harvest the vegetables do revisit the idea of tripods. I use tripods and spirals in my raised gardens and they work perfectly while having the advantage of being easily removed and not obscuring the view of luscious vegies happily growing away. 
The easiest tripod is simply three stakes (I use bamboo) tied at the top with another string or wire around the circumference half way down. 

 

When growing intensively you need to watch the plants more with the type of mesh setup that you have. Intensive gardening reduces air flow and makes it easier for bugs and mildew to take hold. 
I love your setup though. Bit envious of it :-) 

 

 

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  #1162040 25-Oct-2014 17:35
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I'm in there a lot keeping an eye on things. If I put up a tripod there wouldn't be room to walk between the rows unfortunately. I'll probably need to get a fan in there some time just to move the air about, and may need extraction to keep the temperature down eventually - hope not, it's expensive. Thanks for the tips :)

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