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# 160270 30-Dec-2014 21:31
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Hi, 

Mrs and I both agree that we need a couple power sockets on the kitchen bench. 
Not on the bench as such but will look at mounting a double socket outlet on the architrave / piece between the bench and the window ledge thus the hole for cable can be drilled through the bench into the cupboard. 

2 Questions
1) Over the standard, should we use an RCD socket/outlet or Thermal protected outlet? (kitchen sink is about 1.5m away). 
2) Looking at existing wiring, theres a small hot water cylinder in the corner under the bench where I plan to have this extra power, would a sparky be able to tap off the power outlet that uses (HWC is hard wired to that outlet and has its own fuse on the switch board). 

House is about 14 years old. 

As mentioned, I'll find a sparky to do this work. 

Thanks for any suggestions. 


If we can't tap off the hwc outlet (constantly on / not on ripple AFAIK), then I'd have to think about trying to get a cable past the dish draw to under the sink where a couple power outlets are for both the dish washer and waste disposal. The issue is, I don't want to have to pull out the dish draw just to pull thru cable.



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  # 1206256 30-Dec-2014 22:07
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question 1 is a moot point, all new domestic power outlets must be RCD protected

question 2, run a new wire, more than likely the existing wire to your hot water cylinder is only big enough to run the hot water cylinder, and usually on ripple control, it would be way outside the normal to not have it on ripple control.

This is the point where you should get your electrician involved.


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  # 1206266 30-Dec-2014 22:47
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Are small undersink HWC subject to ripple control?

 
 
 
 


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  # 1206287 31-Dec-2014 00:27
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(HWC is hard wired to that outlet and has its own fuse on the switch board).

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'hard wired to that outlet'. It seems like a contradiction?

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  # 1206293 31-Dec-2014 02:15
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sparkys are pretty good at getting cables thru. Just call one and tell them what you want.

If the switchboard is full tho, it can be quite pricy to get them in as they have to add a RCD and those are typically bigger than a standard breaker.




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  # 1206314 31-Dec-2014 09:05
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gzt:
(HWC is hard wired to that outlet and has its own fuse on the switch board).

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'hard wired to that outlet'. It seems like a contradiction?


Hard wired = not able to be unplugged, sorry I forget the name of these outlets with a switch. 





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  # 1206317 31-Dec-2014 09:11
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richms: sparkys are pretty good at getting cables thru. Just call one and tell them what you want.

If the switchboard is full tho, it can be quite pricy to get them in as they have to add a RCD and those are typically bigger than a standard breaker.


Thanks, yes been thinking about how to make the run. The circuit breaker for the kitchen HWC has a spare slot next to it and theres a few other banks of spare slots on the switch board. 

Its a bit hard to pull thru a new run using the existing run from what I can see. 



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  # 1206319 31-Dec-2014 09:15
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Goosey:
gzt:
(HWC is hard wired to that outlet and has its own fuse on the switch board).

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'hard wired to that outlet'. It seems like a contradiction?


Hard wired = not able to be unplugged, sorry I forget the name of these outlets with a switch. 




They're called a permanent connection unit.




Whatifthespacekeyhadneverbeeninvented?


 
 
 
 




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  # 1206341 31-Dec-2014 10:09
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DarthKermit:
Goosey:
gzt:
(HWC is hard wired to that outlet and has its own fuse on the switch board).

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'hard wired to that outlet'. It seems like a contradiction?


Hard wired = not able to be unplugged, sorry I forget the name of these outlets with a switch. 




They're called a permanent connection unit.


thats the one ! 


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  # 1207112 2-Jan-2015 11:41
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Goosey: Hi, 

Mrs and I both agree that we need a couple power sockets on the kitchen bench. 
Not on the bench as such but will look at mounting a double socket outlet on the architrave / piece between the bench and the window ledge thus the hole for cable can be drilled through the bench into the cupboard.


We've got one of these (the P3P) - it's great.  Just thought I'd throw it out there in case you hadn't seen them and it provides another option.

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