Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




3173 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 285

Trusted

Topic # 175272 23-Jun-2015 14:51 Send private message

Any idea what has to be wired in to the lights to be able to control them via the output switches on the paradox alarm?

I'd assume some sort of wire from the alarm panel all the way to the lightswitch - but there must be something else needed to physically trip the light switch.





Previously known as psycik

NextPVR Based HTPC:

Gigabyte AMD A8 Brix --> Samsung LA46A650D via HDMI, SiliconDust HDHomeRun Dual DVB-T Tuner, NextPVR,
Clients:
Chromecast v2, ATV4, Roku3
Windows 2012 Host (Plex Server/Crashplan)
2x2TB, 2x3TB, 1x4TB using DriveBender, Samsung 850 evo 512 GB SSD, Hyper-V Server with 1xW10, 1xW2k8, 1xUbuntu 14.04 LTS, Crashplan, NextPVR channel for Plex


Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer Create new topic
6380 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1995

Subscriber

  Reply # 1329985 23-Jun-2015 15:27 Send private message

wouldn't it just create a parallel path to the physical switch, and the alarm will turn the act as a second switch to the light?

or used to activate a relay to control the light?

940 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 447

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1330009 23-Jun-2015 15:49 Send private message

The outputs on a paradox are voltage free relays. They are certainly not capable of switching 230V and even if they could, maintaining physical separation  between the extra low alarm voltages and the 230 would be difficult

You need to wire the onboard relay to a  230V relay or contactor with a 12V coil. the outputs of this need to be run  to the light switch. Then you need to decide how it is going to control the lights. Will it override the switch? Do you just want to turn the lights on when you disarm the house and have the switch override the alarm at other times?

While not impossible to do it will be quite limiting and you might want to look into something else.

And of course like everyone else will chime in and say...this does require an electrician. It falls outside the homeowner exemption.






Matthew


 

 





3173 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 285

Trusted

  Reply # 1330011 23-Jun-2015 15:52 Send private message

mdooher: The outputs on a paradox are voltage free relays. They are certainly not capable of switching 230V and even if they could, maintaining physical separation  between the extra low alarm voltages and the 230 would be difficult

You need to wire the onboard relay to a  230V relay or contactor with a 12V coil. the outputs of this need to be run  to the light switch. Then you need to decide how it is going to control the lights. Will it override the switch? Do you just want to turn the lights one when you disarm the house and have the switch override the alarm at other times?

While not impossible to do it will be quite limiting and you might want to look into something else.

And of course like everyone else will chime in and say...this does require an electrician. It falls outside the homeowner exemption.




Yeah I did ask my electrician when he was there.  I just didn't quite understand all the bits he needed.  The light switch is actually in an annoying place that's not near the other outdoor lights.

Would probably make more sense to have the switch rerouted to a location nearer the other outside lights than hook it to the alarm.




Previously known as psycik

NextPVR Based HTPC:

Gigabyte AMD A8 Brix --> Samsung LA46A650D via HDMI, SiliconDust HDHomeRun Dual DVB-T Tuner, NextPVR,
Clients:
Chromecast v2, ATV4, Roku3
Windows 2012 Host (Plex Server/Crashplan)
2x2TB, 2x3TB, 1x4TB using DriveBender, Samsung 850 evo 512 GB SSD, Hyper-V Server with 1xW10, 1xW2k8, 1xUbuntu 14.04 LTS, Crashplan, NextPVR channel for Plex


221 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 42


  Reply # 1330017 23-Jun-2015 16:00 Send private message

As Mdooher has mentioned, you will need to use a relay to act as your "switch" it gets a bit tricky when you want dual control (Relay and wall switch)

Perhaps something like this? 

http://www.vesternet.com/resources/application-notes/apnt-17#.VYjZovmqpBc





 

$5USD 1GB RAM, 10GB SSD VPS in SYD

 

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of MiIT Ltd.

Feel free to contact me for Quotes on DELL hardware, UFB, VoIP, North Shore Colo, or for a Quote on your project.


1590 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 293

Subscriber

  Reply # 1330256 23-Jun-2015 21:32 Send private message

The only thing I have done to my Paradox alarm is to run a wire from the alarm unit 'armed' output contacts to a LED in our garage door jamb so you can see the alarm state from the car/drive. 

524 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 128


  Reply # 1330264 23-Jun-2015 21:50 Send private message

pbgben: As Mdooher has mentioned, you will need to use a relay to act as your "switch" it gets a bit tricky when you want dual control (Relay and wall switch)




It's not hard at all, you just need the electrician to install a 12v SPDT relay that has 230v AC contacts 

I have had this on my Micron alarm for about 10 years.

I have to admit I had to explain to the electrician how to wire it, he did not understand how relays work, in essence it is just 2 way switching.
Once he got his head around that it was a two minute job.
I had the alarm guy install the relay and the electrician connect the mains wiring.

John




I know enough to be dangerous


222 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 41


  Reply # 1330266 23-Jun-2015 21:56 Send private message

I've used the Omron 12V DC 25A relay G7L-2A-TUBJ for doing this plenty of times for clients who want to control lights/outlets via tablets, smart phones etc.  Use a 12V DC Supply from a simple cheap power supply with an inline fuse to be safe and you can put it all together in parts for less than $100.




"Setting the Standard in Quality and Commitment"

Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Edifier R1700BT speakers review: Luxury Bluetooth sounds
Posted 28-May-2017 13:06


National AI group launching next month
Posted 25-May-2017 09:54


New Zealand Digital Future, according to tech companies
Posted 25-May-2017 09:51


New Microsoft Surface Pro delivers outstanding battery life, performance
Posted 25-May-2017 09:34


Garmin VIRB 360 brings immersive 360-degree 5.7K camera experience
Posted 25-May-2017 09:30


Telecommunications monitoring report: Are you being served?
Posted 24-May-2017 11:54


NetValue partners with CRM Provider SugarCRM
Posted 23-May-2017 20:04


Terabyte looms as Vocus users download 430GB a month
Posted 19-May-2017 14:51


2degrees tips into profit after seven lean years
Posted 19-May-2017 09:47


2degrees growth story continues
Posted 17-May-2017 15:25


Symantec Blocks 22 Million Attempted WannaCry Ransomware Attacks Globally
Posted 17-May-2017 12:41


HPE Unveils Computer Built for the Era of Big Data
Posted 17-May-2017 12:39


Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus review: Beautiful, feature-packed
Posted 16-May-2017 20:14


After ten years of mail pain Spark is done with Yahoo
Posted 15-May-2017 13:12


Warnings from security firms: do not click that link or risk your computer being infected
Posted 15-May-2017 10:11



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.