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Topic # 184109 10-Nov-2015 15:54
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So with the impending addition to our family we have engaged an Architect locally in Palmerston North to get some concept drawings to add to our current house. The drawings are done and essentially we will be:

   <> Adding a Lounge circa 22.4 sqm
   <> Extending the Deck to create an outdoor entertaining area
   <> Converting the current lounge to a Dining Area
   <> Re-aligning some internal walls to create better flow through the living space
   <> Increasing the current floor-space from 95sqm to 130sqm (new laundry and pantry too)

Now I should preface this with a note that two years ago we renovated "the other side" of the house. Bedrooms and bathrooms. At that stage I went full tilt with retrofitting data and power.

Essentially the whole house feeds to a 6RU Patch Panel centrally located in a Comms Cupboard. All the rooms got coax too and the lounge got 2 x 2 coax outlets.

Now I have the opportunity to go full tilt again as essentially that whole part of the house will be open to installing whatever I want (within budget and reason)

So the advice I am looking for relates to:

    <> What did you do in an extension that you couldnt live without
    <> What do you regret not doing?
    <> Home Automation.........worth it now or fit later

On the current list of whats to be done:

     <> New Lounge - TV located with 4 x CAT6 and 2 x COAX outlets
     <> Kitchen Bench - Pop-up power outlets (as the wall will come down between new lounge and kitchen)
     <> Underfloor Heating in Kitchen and Lounge
     <> LED lighting throughout the new area
     <> Outdoor PowerPoints and 2 x CAT6 Outlets
     <> Relocate existing heat-pump from Passage to new Lounge.

Uploaded the plans too.

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  Reply # 1424485 10-Nov-2015 16:03
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Speaker wiring. Outdoors, in walls etc.

Wires for alarm keypads and motion sensors

outdoor motion sensors and lights are one thing that is top of my list to automate, since the cats keep them coming on all the time.

any outdoor cameras you want to have should be cabled now.

 

Outdoor accesspoint for when you are slacking off in the spa/whatever




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  Reply # 1424506 10-Nov-2015 16:28
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It would depend on where the windows are facing etc but automated blinds/curtains/window coverings to maximise heat gain/loss in Winter/Summer. Someone who has a couple year old build is always telling me he wish he'd done this with all the windows/doors he has.

Also, run cat6 into the ceilings so you can ceiling mount Wireless AP's.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1424507 10-Nov-2015 16:32
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Don't put pop up power points in. they are a pain in the butt to clean around.

use the new PDL double outlets with USB power and put at the end of the bench etc

run a double cat 5/6 to the bench (I use mine all the time when setting up laptops/ routers etc)




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  Reply # 1424508 10-Nov-2015 16:39
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Also all the pop out outlets I have seen have just been a power-strip in popup form, so you are limited to 10 amps total on the thing, whereas multiple sockets in the splashback are 10 amps each, would be a huge limiting factor in a kitchen. Im probably going to just drill a cable gromet into the bench so the ones that are permanantly on the bench can plug in below it to make it neater.




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  Reply # 1424509 10-Nov-2015 16:39
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Perfect!

Will have to put in another wireless AP so will note an extra run of Cat6 into the new Lounge area.

Have a spare POE switch so what I am thinking is to install that and then use it for 2 x outdoor camera and the Wireless AP. With everything terminating to the Comms Cupboard that should be nice and easy.

Will add speaker wiring for the outdoor area. Will add speaker wiring for the new Lounge. Dont have a great surround system at the moment but future-proofing is the name of the game!

We live in Palmy so if anyone local has done anything along these lines and is happy to show it off please let me know.

In terms of the Automation; been looking at the PDL Wiser system. Anyone had any experience with it? Or recommend something better.

By the way the pop-up power points we're looking at for the kitchen table (where theres no wall) are these. http://www.evoline.co.nz/index.php?page=products

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  Reply # 1424516 10-Nov-2015 16:45
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eftpos: Perfect!

Will have to put in another wireless AP so will note an extra run of Cat6 into the new Lounge area.

Have a spare POE switch so what I am thinking is to install that and then use it for 2 x outdoor camera and the Wireless AP. With everything terminating to the Comms Cupboard that should be nice and easy.

Will add speaker wiring for the outdoor area. Will add speaker wiring for the new Lounge. Dont have a great surround system at the moment but future-proofing is the name of the game!

We live in Palmy so if anyone local has done anything along these lines and is happy to show it off please let me know.

In terms of the Automation; been looking at the PDL Wiser system. Anyone had any experience with it? Or recommend something better.

By the way the pop-up power points we're looking at for the kitchen table (where theres no wall) are these. http://www.evoline.co.nz/index.php?page=products


I have a C-bus house, and I have installed a number of them. The actual Wiser unit is total rubbish but the c-bus (switches relays sensors, dimmers etc) is excellent. logic control provided by the wiser can be handled far better in a Pascal logic controller or touch screen with logic built in...oh and you will need a mortgage just for the c-bus embarassed




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  Reply # 1424517 10-Nov-2015 16:45
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Point taken Rich and Matthew on the pop-up power points. May have to reconsider the plan for the need for extra power-points and where to locate them.

Reason was that my wife HATES with a passion any extension leads, multi plugs etc. So want to make sure there is no lack of power-points in the kitchen without it turning into looking like a commercial kitchen :-)





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  Reply # 1424519 10-Nov-2015 16:48
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mdooher:
eftpos: Perfect!

Will have to put in another wireless AP so will note an extra run of Cat6 into the new Lounge area.

Have a spare POE switch so what I am thinking is to install that and then use it for 2 x outdoor camera and the Wireless AP. With everything terminating to the Comms Cupboard that should be nice and easy.

Will add speaker wiring for the outdoor area. Will add speaker wiring for the new Lounge. Dont have a great surround system at the moment but future-proofing is the name of the game!

We live in Palmy so if anyone local has done anything along these lines and is happy to show it off please let me know.

In terms of the Automation; been looking at the PDL Wiser system. Anyone had any experience with it? Or recommend something better.

By the way the pop-up power points we're looking at for the kitchen table (where theres no wall) are these. http://www.evoline.co.nz/index.php?page=products


I have a C-bus house, and I have installed a number of them. The actual Wiser unit is total rubbish but the c-bus (switches relays sensors, dimmers etc) is excellent. logic control provided by the wiser can be handled far better in a Pascal logic controller or touch screen with logic built in...oh and you will need a mortgage just for the c-bus embarassed



Well you say that and my Sparky just came back via email and said I'd need to sell my next child for that Wiser system!!!!!! Ballpark; cost of a C-Bus system, perhaps similar to your own?

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  Reply # 1424521 10-Nov-2015 16:49
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eftpos:
Point taken Rich and Matthew on the pop-up power points. May have to reconsider the plan for the need for extra power-points and where to locate them.

Reason was that my wife HATES with a passion any extension leads, multi plugs etc. So want to make sure there is no lack of power-points in the kitchen without it turning into looking like a commercial kitchen :-)




My wife wanted them in her bench too, I told her because the sink was over 45 litres the power points would be too close and so I couldn't do it

Actually I did consider it but to me they feel a bit cheap (I've installed a few)  and I didn't want more holes drilled in the granite.




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  Reply # 1424523 10-Nov-2015 16:52
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eftpos:
mdooher:
eftpos: Perfect!

Will have to put in another wireless AP so will note an extra run of Cat6 into the new Lounge area.

Have a spare POE switch so what I am thinking is to install that and then use it for 2 x outdoor camera and the Wireless AP. With everything terminating to the Comms Cupboard that should be nice and easy.

Will add speaker wiring for the outdoor area. Will add speaker wiring for the new Lounge. Dont have a great surround system at the moment but future-proofing is the name of the game!

We live in Palmy so if anyone local has done anything along these lines and is happy to show it off please let me know.

In terms of the Automation; been looking at the PDL Wiser system. Anyone had any experience with it? Or recommend something better.

By the way the pop-up power points we're looking at for the kitchen table (where theres no wall) are these. http://www.evoline.co.nz/index.php?page=products


I have a C-bus house, and I have installed a number of them. The actual Wiser unit is total rubbish but the c-bus (switches relays sensors, dimmers etc) is excellent. logic control provided by the wiser can be handled far better in a Pascal logic controller or touch screen with logic built in...oh and you will need a mortgage just for the c-bus embarassed



Well you say that and my Sparky just came back via email and said I'd need to sell my next child for that Wiser system!!!!!! Ballpark; cost of a C-Bus system, perhaps similar to your own?


$20,000 - $30,000 extra




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  Reply # 1424527 10-Nov-2015 16:54
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mdooher:
eftpos:
mdooher:
eftpos: Perfect!

Will have to put in another wireless AP so will note an extra run of Cat6 into the new Lounge area.

Have a spare POE switch so what I am thinking is to install that and then use it for 2 x outdoor camera and the Wireless AP. With everything terminating to the Comms Cupboard that should be nice and easy.

Will add speaker wiring for the outdoor area. Will add speaker wiring for the new Lounge. Dont have a great surround system at the moment but future-proofing is the name of the game!

We live in Palmy so if anyone local has done anything along these lines and is happy to show it off please let me know.

In terms of the Automation; been looking at the PDL Wiser system. Anyone had any experience with it? Or recommend something better.

By the way the pop-up power points we're looking at for the kitchen table (where theres no wall) are these. http://www.evoline.co.nz/index.php?page=products


I have a C-bus house, and I have installed a number of them. The actual Wiser unit is total rubbish but the c-bus (switches relays sensors, dimmers etc) is excellent. logic control provided by the wiser can be handled far better in a Pascal logic controller or touch screen with logic built in...oh and you will need a mortgage just for the c-bus embarassed



Well you say that and my Sparky just came back via email and said I'd need to sell my next child for that Wiser system!!!!!! Ballpark; cost of a C-Bus system, perhaps similar to your own?


$20,000 - $30,000 extra


May have to sell a kidney then too. Having said that, what do I need to do to make sure that when I want to go down the Automation route the infrastructure is there?

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eftpos:
mdooher:
eftpos:
mdooher:
eftpos: Perfect!

Will have to put in another wireless AP so will note an extra run of Cat6 into the new Lounge area.

Have a spare POE switch so what I am thinking is to install that and then use it for 2 x outdoor camera and the Wireless AP. With everything terminating to the Comms Cupboard that should be nice and easy.

Will add speaker wiring for the outdoor area. Will add speaker wiring for the new Lounge. Dont have a great surround system at the moment but future-proofing is the name of the game!

We live in Palmy so if anyone local has done anything along these lines and is happy to show it off please let me know.

In terms of the Automation; been looking at the PDL Wiser system. Anyone had any experience with it? Or recommend something better.

By the way the pop-up power points we're looking at for the kitchen table (where theres no wall) are these. http://www.evoline.co.nz/index.php?page=products


I have a C-bus house, and I have installed a number of them. The actual Wiser unit is total rubbish but the c-bus (switches relays sensors, dimmers etc) is excellent. logic control provided by the wiser can be handled far better in a Pascal logic controller or touch screen with logic built in...oh and you will need a mortgage just for the c-bus embarassed



Well you say that and my Sparky just came back via email and said I'd need to sell my next child for that Wiser system!!!!!! Ballpark; cost of a C-Bus system, perhaps similar to your own?


$20,000 - $30,000 extra


May have to sell a kidney then too. Having said that, what do I need to do to make sure that when I want to go down the Automation route the infrastructure is there?


make sure you have room for a floor to ceiling commercial switchboard, all circuits need to go back to the board, work out which system you might use and run the necessary wire to the switches. (c-bus is cat 5 bus wired, KNX can use the power wires)




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  Reply # 1424538 10-Nov-2015 17:08
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Great, will keep it in mind during the planning.

Great feedback really appreciate it.

So the list has expanded to:

     <> New Lounge - TV located with 4 x CAT6 and 2 x COAX outlets
     <> Kitchen Bench - Pop-up power outlets (as the wall will come down between new lounge and kitchen)
     <> Underfloor Heating in Kitchen and Lounge
     <> LED lighting throughout the new area
     <> Outdoor PowerPoints and 2 x CAT6 Outlets
     <> Relocate existing heat-pump from Passage to new Lounge.
     <> Extra run of CAT6 in ceiling space (new Lounge) for Wireless AP
     <> 2 x Extra runs CAT6 for outdoor camera's for deck area and garden (wife will LOVE that, keep an eye on the little ones if they're playing in the yard and she's in the kitchen)
     <> Automated window blinds/curtains (get quotes)
     <> Speaker wiring in new Lounge (not needed now but will be later)
     <> Speaker wiring to deck/outdoor area
     <> Use back of kitchen cabinets at breakfast area for data outlets and power (just work out the best way to do it)

Also some feedback thats come through. New Laundry area we are going to raise the dryer and washing machine onto a platform and install storage underneath in some fashion. My wife is quite short so I am sure she'll appreciate them being higher up. Screengrab of the idea - Click to see full size



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  Reply # 1424583 10-Nov-2015 18:07
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I have Automated blinds on all windows, (can't afford motorised curtain rails) and I can say this.... they are bloody fantastic. I have them integrated with the automation system so for example:

They all go down at sunset (except the doors)
They all go up at sunrise (except occupied bedrooms)
Doors go up on disarm if down
All doors go up on fire alarm if down, then all others go up

The whole idea of having to walk around the house and put them up and down is so last century laughing




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  Reply # 1424597 10-Nov-2015 18:18
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eftpos:
Also some feedback thats come through. New Laundry area we are going to raise the dryer and washing machine onto a platform and install storage underneath in some fashion. My wife is quite short so I am sure she'll appreciate them being higher up.


Wouldnt a short person want them to be lower?




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