Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


CGG



10 posts

Wannabe Geek


Topic # 191175 26-Jan-2016 18:41
Send private message

I currently have phone lines in my house which are at either end. The issue with this is that the wiring is old and slows down my VDSL connection, but mainly, when I am at the opposite end of the house to my wireless router, signal strength is poor!

 

My solution, install a RJ11 socket in the middle of the house.

 

The good news is, there is a blank wall plate in the middle of the house. On the other side of this are phone cables, because the D-mark point is directly on the other side of this. (why there was never a phone jack in this bedroom is beyond me)

 

I want to do it myself.

 

Does anyone know which wires need to go into the RJ11 socket for VDSL. (I have naked broadband, no phone line)

 

 

Thanks in advance.


Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer Create new topic
20580 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3964

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1479275 26-Jan-2016 18:45
Send private message

They will go into 3 and 4 of the socket. you have 2 incoming cables, so it should be the black and yellow of one of them, no idea what that speaker cable looking cable is doing in there.





Richard rich.ms

CGG



10 posts

Wannabe Geek


  Reply # 1479279 26-Jan-2016 18:49
Send private message

Thanks for that. Does it matter which way around they go?


 
 
 
 


4558 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1345


  Reply # 1479281 26-Jan-2016 18:54
Send private message

That grey cable might be the old early 1980s 4 pair cable. 4 conductors in each each sheath.


20580 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3964

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1479282 26-Jan-2016 18:54
Send private message

No, polarity doesn't matter for DSL or normal telephones.





Richard rich.ms

20580 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3964

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1479283 26-Jan-2016 18:55
One person supports this post
Send private message

RunningMan:

 

That grey cable might be the old early 1980s 4 pair cable. 4 conductors in each each sheath.

 

 

 

 

I've not seen those sherbert straws used as joiners before either. Was that an 80s thing too?





Richard rich.ms

'That VDSL Cat'
6970 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1358

Trusted
Spark
Subscriber

  Reply # 1479284 26-Jan-2016 19:00
One person supports this post
Send private message

had speaker like cable in my old place, took my 70/10 line down to struggling to manage a sync and hitting 4/2ish when it did..

 

 

 

ild be tempted to run a fresh wire and use a master filter assuming your on a clothed connection there...

 

 

 

Also remember wireless is a conveyance feature, and you shouldn't expect full performance over it. 





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.


4558 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1345


  Reply # 1479291 26-Jan-2016 19:03
Send private message

richms:

 

RunningMan:

 

That grey cable might be the old early 1980s 4 pair cable. 4 conductors in each each sheath.

 

 

 

 

I've not seen those sherbert straws used as joiners before either. Was that an 80s thing too?

 

 

Copper twisted together inside then that slides over the whole lot. You'd use a gel crimp now.


568 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 153


  Reply # 1479300 26-Jan-2016 19:26
One person supports this post
Send private message

Yep, those are old twist joint sleeves, I've run across them twice looking at old joint pillars. As for the internal wiring, you come across that stuff a bit too often, it's not solid core, and it's not very good. Replace it where you can, I reckon, it'll do your broadband a world of good.


25826 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5553

Moderator
Trusted
Biddle Corp
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 1479309 26-Jan-2016 19:50
One person supports this post
Send private message

Speaker wire totally kills VDSL2, and had a pretty significant impact on ADSL as well due to the fact it's not twisted.

 

You'll potentially need some scotchloks and jumper cable to punch down directly into the RJ11 as the AWG of the outdoor cable is normally too thick.

 

Is there any reason you didn't just use a RJ45 which is standard now? I haven't seen a RJ11 socket for years, and last time I did they were twice the price of a RJ45!

 

 


1952 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 128

Trusted

  Reply # 1482404 31-Jan-2016 19:47
Send private message

richms:

 

 

 

I've not seen those sherbert straws used as joiners before either. Was that an 80s thing too?

 

 

Often they just sheath the twisted joins with a bit of cable jacket, but doesn't prevent corrosion in my opinion. Old habits die hard tho, and some techs incorrectly twist the bare wires like that before putting on the scotchlock crimp. Really bad practice.





Qualified in business, certified in fibre, stuck in copper, have to keep going  ^_^

1952 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 128

Trusted

  Reply # 1482408 31-Jan-2016 19:58
Send private message

sbiddle:

 

Speaker wire totally kills VDSL2, and had a pretty significant impact on ADSL as well due to the fact it's not twisted.

 

You'll potentially need some scotchloks and jumper cable to punch down directly into the RJ11 as the AWG of the outdoor cable is normally too thick.

 

Is there any reason you didn't just use a RJ45 which is standard now? I haven't seen a RJ11 socket for years, and last time I did they were twice the price of a RJ45!

 

 

I guess the modem comes with an american RJ11 cable...

 

 

 

The 2 phone wires go to the blue pair on the RJ11 plug (or RJ45 for that matter). Use a tool to punch them straight into the slot, don't strip the insulation off each wire. Same for scotchloks, each wire gets inserted as is and the insulation stays on. If you don't use analogue phones then just remove the grey wires, otherwise you need a VDSL splitter and the grey wires go to the "phone" output of the splitter. If they don't fit the scotchloks then better to replace them or do the old wire twist, but make sure you use scotchlok type joiners on the splitter's DSL output because its more sensitive to having a good connection..





Qualified in business, certified in fibre, stuck in copper, have to keep going  ^_^

Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

New Zealand hits peak broadband data
Posted 18-Jan-2018 12:21


Amazon Echo devices coming to New Zealand early February 2018
Posted 18-Jan-2018 10:53


$3.74 million for new electric vehicles in New Zealand
Posted 17-Jan-2018 11:27


Nova 2i: Value, not excitement from Huawei
Posted 17-Jan-2018 09:02


Less news in Facebook News Feed revamp
Posted 15-Jan-2018 13:15


Australian Government contract awarded to Datacom Connect
Posted 11-Jan-2018 08:37


Why New Zealand needs a chief technology officer
Posted 6-Jan-2018 13:59


Amazon release Silk Browser and Firefox for Fire TV
Posted 21-Dec-2017 13:42


New Chief Technology Officer role created
Posted 19-Dec-2017 22:18


All I want for Christmas is a new EV
Posted 19-Dec-2017 19:54


How clever is this: AI will create 2.3 million jobs by 2020
Posted 19-Dec-2017 19:52


NOW to deploy SD-WAN to regional councils
Posted 19-Dec-2017 19:46


Mobile market competition issues ComCom should watch
Posted 18-Dec-2017 10:52


New Zealand government to create digital advisory group
Posted 16-Dec-2017 08:47


Australia datum changes means whole country moving 1.8 metres north-east
Posted 16-Dec-2017 08:39



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.