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Topic # 225939 12-Dec-2017 10:56
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It's that season for anti insect and fly solutions. 

 

I'm looking at the generic screen door available from bunnings:

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/protector-aluminium-810-x-1980mm-black-fixed-security-grille-door_p00322161

 

The door frame is aluminium and there is no additional cavity for installing within the door frame. 

 

The screen door will therefore have to be surface mounted. Is anyone aware of the types of external frames or adaptors that are available for a proper installation?

 

Will have to go into Bunnings this weekend to have a look myself.

 

 


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  Reply # 1917261 12-Dec-2017 11:04
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What sort of door - slide/fold/hinge?





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  Reply # 1917263 12-Dec-2017 11:13
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Sorry should have said, this would be for a front door. 

 

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Actually I now realise that the door handle is going to pose a problem as it protrudes well beyond the surface of the frame so I will have to install a full frame around any security door in order to create the clearance required so the security door doesn't make contact (or only just touches) with the door handle.

 

Originally I was hoping I could install something like this:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U_jBS_k5ys

 

I suppose the proper way to do things would to replace the whole door and frame with a frame that had cavities and clearance for a main door and a security door.

 

 


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  Reply # 1917297 12-Dec-2017 11:48
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Somehow you nee dot stand it off the door in a way that allow it to clears the handle and if the purpose is excluding bugs then you cant leave any gaps.

 

We got some bug screens installed and the installers attached a colour matched rectangular profile around the perimeter of the door frame then attached the screens to that. 

 

It looks like there might be an angled profile surrounding your door?  I can't quite see well enough (https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=193677).  If so you would need a profile that squares that up.

 

 





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  Reply # 1917330 12-Dec-2017 12:33
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MikeAqua:

 

Somehow you nee dot stand it off the door in a way that allow it to clears the handle and if the purpose is excluding bugs then you cant leave any gaps.

 

We got some bug screens installed and the installers attached a colour matched rectangular profile around the perimeter of the door frame then attached the screens to that. 

 

It looks like there might be an angled profile surrounding your door?  I can't quite see well enough (https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=193677).  If so you would need a profile that squares that up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I believe I would need to install what one company has called a built out or adaptor frame. I'd be doing this myself and can't seem to find a source. Will have to check joinery companies I imagine.


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  Reply # 1917377 12-Dec-2017 12:54
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Following with interest as I want to fit a screen door also to my front door. Much the same as the OP.

 

I was considering using some U channel aluminium to make my own frame, deep enough to clear the door handles..

 

I might look for a pre-built adapter frame as has been suggested,

 

 





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  Reply # 1917387 12-Dec-2017 13:02
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I just spoke to an installer and he used the term "stand out frame". He sources the products from New Plymouth. 

 

At this stage I'm not sure how viable it is to do it DIY as I am not sure where to source these products. 

 

Is there a aluminium joinery retailer anyone is familiar with, I'm anticipating that Bunnings won't sell this type of product except perhaps as a special order.

 

 


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  Reply # 1917389 12-Dec-2017 13:06
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I noticed that Bunnings (Gisborne) has quite a large aluminium extrusion supply rack.

 

I am going to check what they have on my next visit.

 

 





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  Reply # 1917392 12-Dec-2017 13:10
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Gordy7:

 

I noticed that Bunnings (Gisborne) has quite a large aluminium extrusion supply rack.

 

I am going to check what they have on my next visit.

 

 

 

 

I'll have to do the same, it's not a product that I've ever paid attention to until now. Colour matching will also be an issue for me at least.


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  Reply # 1917398 12-Dec-2017 13:16
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Hatch:

 

Gordy7:

 

I noticed that Bunnings (Gisborne) has quite a large aluminium extrusion supply rack.

 

I am going to check what they have on my next visit.

 

 

 

 

I'll have to do the same, it's not a product that I've ever paid attention to until now. Colour matching will also be an issue for me at least.

 

 

You should be able to have it powder coated.

 

That said .... joiner who make aluminium windows have access to a bunch of different profiles in all the standard colours.





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  Reply # 1917400 12-Dec-2017 13:17
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The pain... Just checked my front door opening across the inside of the frame 900x1940.

 

So, I will need a slightly wider screen door than the ones Bunnings has.





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  Reply # 1917402 12-Dec-2017 13:30
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Hatch:

 

It's that season for anti insect and fly solutions. 

 

I'm looking at the generic screen door available from bunnings:

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/protector-aluminium-810-x-1980mm-black-fixed-security-grille-door_p00322161

 

The door frame is aluminium and there is no additional cavity for installing within the door frame. 

 

The screen door will therefore have to be surface mounted. Is anyone aware of the types of external frames or adaptors that are available for a proper installation?

 

Will have to go into Bunnings this weekend to have a look myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those look awful. You can get them without the ugly grill across them.


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  Reply # 1917407 12-Dec-2017 13:34
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mattwnz:

 

Those look awful. You can get them without the ugly grill across them.

 

 

Where?

 

Are they a lockable security and fly screen door?

 

 





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  Reply # 1917460 12-Dec-2017 14:33
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Gordy7:

 

mattwnz:

 

Those look awful. You can get them without the ugly grill across them.

 

 

Where?

 

Are they a lockable security and fly screen door?

 

 

 

 

 

 

My grandma had one, although it was custom fitted. It was lockable, but may not have been that secure, although she didn't live in a unsafe area so wasn't an issue. But I imagine that the ones with the grill partly  give a false sense of security, as I wouldn't think it would be that difficult to chop though the aluminium grill with some metal snips if someone really wanted to get in. Although probably easier to break a window.

 

 

 

If you are looking for other options, these are some more aesthetically pleasing options 

 

https://www.peaceofmindsecurityscreens.co.nz/security-doors-wellington 

 

https://www.peaceofmindsecurityscreens.co.nz/fly-screens-wairarapa 




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  Reply # 1917466 12-Dec-2017 14:42
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mattwnz:

 

My grandma had one, although it was custom fitted. It was lockable, but may not have been that secure, although she didn't live in a unsafe area so wasn't an issue. But I imagine that the ones with the grill partly  give a false sense of security, as I wouldn't think it would be that difficult to chop though the aluminium grill with some metal snips if someone really wanted to get in. Although probably easier to break a window.

 

 

 

If you are looking for other options, these are some more aesthetically pleasing options 

 

https://www.peaceofmindsecurityscreens.co.nz/security-doors-wellington 

 

https://www.peaceofmindsecurityscreens.co.nz/fly-screens-wairarapa 

 

 

The crimsafe ones look very good and secure. Around $1800 installed.




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  Reply # 1917468 12-Dec-2017 14:43
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mattwnz:

 

Those look awful. You can get them without the ugly grill across them.

 

 

I don't disagree, yet cheap and cheerful.


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