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Topic # 239391 15-Jul-2018 20:44

Saw this on sale at Farmers, trying to complete the purchase of our appliances for the new kitchen

https://www.farmers.co.nz/5858943

Any thoughts on this on (or alternatives)? Has capacitive buttons so wondering about these, sound and extraction?

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Reply # 2056703 15-Jul-2018 21:17

The photo in the ad doesn’t give much away. And you can’t view it in store.

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Reply # 2056704 15-Jul-2018 21:19

eracode: The photo in the ad doesn’t give much away. And you can’t view it in store.

Was kinda hoping someone might have one...

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Reply # 2056820 16-Jul-2018 08:42

Maybe this could help:

https://www.consumer.org.nz/products/rangehoods/fisher-and-paykel-hp90idchx2-ducted?gclid=CjwKCAjw4avaBRBPEiwA_ZetYn3XgQpbiRzRcSdoSoL-FvZRAfyt3jjHeK_epgo6HqTYTtIplf2IOhoC09gQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Or:

https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/kitchen/cooking-appliances/rangehoods/90cm-powerpack.HP90IDCHX2.html

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Reply # 2056830 16-Jul-2018 09:04

Having recently bought a range hood there is a very larger variation in noise levels and extraction rates. Just check your numbers before you buy it if you aren't going to hear/feel it in person. We ended up with a Bosch unit, at 52dB it sounded the quietest of all the ones we looked at while still actually sucking air.

This specific model didn't come up in our searching so can't comment on it directly, though we were only looking at specific wall mounted models.

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Reply # 2056849 16-Jul-2018 09:37

Yeah, those stats aren't that impressive (low extraction and high noise). Having just been through the full exercise for a new build, I can unreservedly recommend Schweigen - not a good fit for all applications, but the extraction/noise levels are unbeatable, and they're around the same price as conventional rangehoods.

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Reply # 2056906 16-Jul-2018 10:23

I'm not doubting that removing the motor from the hood to the end of the flue gets a lot of the noise out of the kitchen but some of the Schweigen claims don't obey physical laws.

"The highly-efficient German IsoDrive Motor uses all it’s energy for extraction rather than pushing air up against gravity. This lets the rangehood concentrate all of its power on its primary purpose of removing large volumes of cooking steam, smoke, grease and odours from your home silently!"

As if pulling the air up the pipe is easier than pushing it.

I found that a lot of the noise in a conventional rangehood was air movement in the thin wall ducting and insulating the duct inside the outer cover made a big improvement.

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Reply # 2056931 16-Jul-2018 10:39

Bung: I'm not doubting that removing the motor from the hood to the end of the flue gets a lot of the noise out of the kitchen but some of the Schweigen claims don't obey physical laws.

"The highly-efficient German IsoDrive Motor uses all it’s energy for extraction rather than pushing air up against gravity. This lets the rangehood concentrate all of its power on its primary purpose of removing large volumes of cooking steam, smoke, grease and odours from your home silently!"

As if pulling the air up the pipe is easier than pushing it.

I found that a lot of the noise in a conventional rangehood was air movement in the thin wall ducting and insulating the duct inside the outer cover made a big improvement.

Yeah, that claim reeks of marketing hyperbole, but given that cooking vapour is heavier than the air it's normally displacing, I'd think pulling that vapour up is nominally more efficient. The main thing is that you're not constrained by the size of the rangehood in terms of the motor's physical dimensions or noise, so you can go a bit larger that you otherwise could.

Irrespective, comparing it to my in-law's Bosch (around 3 years old), there's is reasonably quiet at low speeds, but does roar quite a bit at full volume - you'd have to raise your voice to have a conversations standing next to it, whereas the Schweigen pulls twice the air volume, and is probably the same volume on full as the Bosch on low.

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Reply # 2056935 16-Jul-2018 10:48

Capacitive buttons on cook-tops are a PITA while cooking if your hands are wet or greasy.

I can't see why a range-hood would be any better, although at least you are unlikely to spill anything onto your range-hood. Our induction cooker goes into error mode and shuts down if something gets spilled on the controls.

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Reply # 2056946 16-Jul-2018 10:53

MikeAqua:

Capacitive buttons on cook-tops are a PITA while cooking if your hands are wet or greasy.

I can't see why a range-hood would be any better, although at least you are unlikely to spill anything onto your range-hood. Our induction cooker goes into error mode and shuts down if something gets spilled on the controls.

Agreed - a lot of modern appliance controls are a UX nightmare, especially cooktops with an element toggle and one temperature control; if you have 3 or 4 pots and pans going, adjusting them all is a shambles.

It's one of the main reasons I went for the Electrolux induction cooktop I chose - it has 4 separate sliders for each zone.

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Reply # 2056952 16-Jul-2018 10:59

nofam:

Bung: I'm not doubting that removing the motor from the hood to the end of the flue gets a lot of the noise out of the kitchen but some of the Schweigen claims don't obey physical laws.

"The highly-efficient German IsoDrive Motor uses all it’s energy for extraction rather than pushing air up against gravity. This lets the rangehood concentrate all of its power on its primary purpose of removing large volumes of cooking steam, smoke, grease and odours from your home silently!"

As if pulling the air up the pipe is easier than pushing it.

I found that a lot of the noise in a conventional rangehood was air movement in the thin wall ducting and insulating the duct inside the outer cover made a big improvement.

Yeah, that claim reeks of marketing hyperbole, but given that cooking vapour is heavier than the air it's normally displacing, I'd think pulling that vapour up is nominally more efficient. The main thing is that you're not constrained by the size of the rangehood in terms of the motor's physical dimensions or noise, so you can go a bit larger that you otherwise could.

Irrespective, comparing it to my in-law's Bosch (around 3 years old), there's is reasonably quiet at low speeds, but does roar quite a bit at full volume - you'd have to raise your voice to have a conversations standing next to it, whereas the Schweigen pulls twice the air volume, and is probably the same volume on full as the Bosch on low.

We've had a couple of F&P hoods, the current one is a HC90DCXB3 and it's been quite good - LED lights so the 'bulbs' should last a long time. If you crank up the fan to level 3 it is noisy, but we only do that if something's burnt on the cook top or is otherwise very steamy. Usually use level 1 - you can hear it but it's just a hum. You can take the filters out and put them in the dishwasher which is handy and good idea to do! The previous one was back in 2005 and it had halogens that failed and was very noisy.

I've never had one of the power-pack style units mentioned by the OP, but have been told that they don't extract as much air volume as the chimney style ones.

About remote-siting the fan - this does sound like a good idea to remove one source of noise. However, it may make servicing difficult depending on where it is located, and it may transfer the noise somewhere else. Our downstairs bathroom vent fan is located in the basement and if the kids leave it switched on, it is annoyingly audible in our upstairs bedroom!

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Reply # 2056958 16-Jul-2018 11:08

kryptonjohn:

nofam:

Bung: I'm not doubting that removing the motor from the hood to the end of the flue gets a lot of the noise out of the kitchen but some of the Schweigen claims don't obey physical laws.

"The highly-efficient German IsoDrive Motor uses all it’s energy for extraction rather than pushing air up against gravity. This lets the rangehood concentrate all of its power on its primary purpose of removing large volumes of cooking steam, smoke, grease and odours from your home silently!"

As if pulling the air up the pipe is easier than pushing it.

I found that a lot of the noise in a conventional rangehood was air movement in the thin wall ducting and insulating the duct inside the outer cover made a big improvement.

Yeah, that claim reeks of marketing hyperbole, but given that cooking vapour is heavier than the air it's normally displacing, I'd think pulling that vapour up is nominally more efficient. The main thing is that you're not constrained by the size of the rangehood in terms of the motor's physical dimensions or noise, so you can go a bit larger that you otherwise could.

Irrespective, comparing it to my in-law's Bosch (around 3 years old), there's is reasonably quiet at low speeds, but does roar quite a bit at full volume - you'd have to raise your voice to have a conversations standing next to it, whereas the Schweigen pulls twice the air volume, and is probably the same volume on full as the Bosch on low.

We've had a couple of F&P hoods, the current one is a HC90DCXB3 and it's been quite good - LED lights so the 'bulbs' should last a long time. If you crank up the fan to level 3 it is noisy, but we only do that if something's burnt on the cook top or is otherwise very steamy. Usually use level 1 - you can hear it but it's just a hum. You can take the filters out and put them in the dishwasher which is handy and good idea to do! The previous one was back in 2005 and it had halogens that failed and was very noisy.

I've never had one of the power-pack style units mentioned by the OP, but have been told that they don't extract as much air volume as the chimney style ones.

About remote-siting the fan - this does sound like a good idea to remove one source of noise. However, it may make servicing difficult depending on where it is located, and it may transfer the noise somewhere else. Our downstairs bathroom vent fan is located in the basement and if the kids leave it switched on, it is annoyingly audible in our upstairs bedroom!

Yeah, there's really nothing 'wrong' with the conventional approach - you certainly get what you pay for as Bosch et al are noticeably quieter than Parmco etc. Interestingly, most extraction fans seems to be going with in-line motors; both the models we purchased for the bathroom/ensuite are inline, and are typically suspended in the ceiling space by wires to the trusses to reduce harmonic vibration through the framing. But yes, it does move the noise outside, and in the case of the Schweigen, you do have a noticeably bigger 'smoke stack' sticking out of your roof!! My builder cheekily suggested it made our house look like a fish n chip shop.

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Reply # 2057013 16-Jul-2018 12:09

We recently had a new rangehood installed and went with a Fotile branded one, their performance and price were the most competitive

We originally wanted the V design but the overhead cabinet was to low meaning the back burners might have been a bit of pain to use so we we ended up with the W series

http://nz.fotileglobal.com/index.php/overview/ProductHoodV

http://nz.fotileglobal.com/index.php/overview/ProductHoodW

Check em out, I would happily recommend

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Reply # 2057289 16-Jul-2018 19:24

Thanks guys this has been handy.

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Reply # 2057296 16-Jul-2018 19:49

I have a parmco rangehood and I swear on the highest setting it just about sucks the lids off the pots.

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Reply # 2057419 16-Jul-2018 23:08

I also got a Schweigen unit not long ago and ended up with a 90cm under cabinet rangehood with the 1600 m3/hr motor unit.

Even at full power it seems a lot quieter then other rangehoods I've used, so I'd definitely recommend it based on my experience thus far.

Yann

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