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#249174 29-Apr-2019 15:08
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We bought a new Heatpump for my daughters room. We negotiated the other 3 heatpumps in our home to be cleaned by the same reputable crowd at a discounted rate. 

 

Bad weather prevented the installation of the heatpump but they did clean all 3 heatpumps on the Friday. They said they would install on the Saturday. Bad weather prevented that as well.

 

When I got home, my home office, had my Panasonic set to it's lowest temp running at max speed which I turned off when I got home. The entire room was exceptionally cold. Everything was ok, but halfway through watching the rugby (about 3 hours from turning off the heatpump), the RCD tripped, basically killing most of the downstairs area. After some investigations and isolating tests which took around 30 minutes, I found switching off the Panasonic Heatpump at the kill switch in the garage allowed everything to operate correctly. I contacted the after hours number for the heatpump people and got a text saying they didn't think anything they did would cause it but said they would send someone in the morning to have a look. They said to leave the unit off which I did. 

 

The following morning a guy turned up and had a look, turned on the master heatpump switch and no issues. He then proceeded to pull the heatpump apart looking for potential causes. I left him to it.  He then tells me that a bug was the cause of the issue because it was "probably" crossing the terminals inside the heatpump causing a short. He didn't show me any bug, but upon inspection you would need one hell of a bug to cross these terminals which aren't massively far apart but are recessed. 

 

I also mention that the heatpump in question is noisy now, like a rattling noise, which the guy takes a look into and ensures everything is secure. Both this and the upstairs heatpump they also cleaned have similar noises since the clean.

 

He left and I think nothing of it, then I get an invoice for $185 for an after hours callout to resolve a bug issue. 

 

I dispute the claim saying I don't believe a bug which I was never shown, could have caused this issue, esp since surely the bug would have gotten electrocuted and fallen away meaning it might have tripped once but not subsequently, and that as soon as the guy arrived and tested, it was working fine before even opening the heatpump. 

 

The company insists we pay and that it was a bug and nothing to do with them. The Heatpump is 5 years old and I've never had a bug inside it before let alone one that would trip the RCD. 

 

I was never told that a callout fee would be charged. It seemed likely that something done during the service was responsible given we had not a single issue with any of our heatpumps since they were installed. 

 

The techs notes indicate he showed me a bug which I categorically never saw and wasn't shown.

 

Not sure where to go from here. 

 

 


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  #2227438 29-Apr-2019 15:16
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Pay and move on. At the end of the day, they came out to check after you contacted them. Beyond that, you can ask them what the normal system for a weekend callout is and see if they followed it. At the time they arrived if they found an issue they would be expected to cover. They did not or could not repeat so you pay. 

 

Sucks but how I see it.

 

 




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  #2227445 29-Apr-2019 15:25
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Didn't they take a photo of the bug that caused the problem. I know cockroaches can get into electronics and short them, had a dishwasher die this way, but you would think they electronics would be sealed off to prevent bugs getting in. When did you last get it cleaned? Do they need cleaning that often by a professional?


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  #2227473 29-Apr-2019 16:09
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It has been about 2 years since the last clean. Annual is recommended, but one reputable heatpump guy told me it was overkill and every two years was ok. 

 

No, they didn't take a photo is my understanding. I'd imagine it would be quite hard for a insect large enough to short contacts, to get inside the heatpump, and if for some reason one got inside whilst they are working and they didn't notice and remove it, should that be our issue?

 

 




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  #2227719 30-Apr-2019 08:40
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What do they actually do when they clean them? From everything that I can see, its unscrew the cover(s), remove debris, wipe down and spray the coil with water, do everything back up. It seems a little like paying a dealer to clean your car....totally understand that some people just would rather not do it themselves, so no dig at anyone, but mainly just wanting to understand if there is something I am missing? Also if the unit is under the house in a location not subjected to weather etc, is it even less likely to need a clean? 


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  #2227725 30-Apr-2019 08:54
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Has it tripped the RCD since?

 

If not, then they probably did fix it.

 

 

 

I agree, it sounds a bit dodgy that it happened straight after they cleaned them, but you can't prove it was something that they did.


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  #2227728 30-Apr-2019 08:56
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No, no RCD Trip since.

 

@e3xtc A proper clean is much more substantive than that. It took them nearly 50 minutes per heatpump.


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  #2227730 30-Apr-2019 08:57
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networkn:

 

No, no RCD Trip since.

 

@e3xtc A proper clean is much more substantive than that. It took them nearly 50 minutes per heatpump.

 

 

I am intrigued; do tell, what is it that they actually do then? (its an honest enquiry, not trying to take the piss or anything)


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  #2227734 30-Apr-2019 09:04
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They did outline it, but I can't recall the specifics. They flush liquid though the heat pump, refill refridgarant if required, they did a bunch of stuff with the outside unit too. 

 

We have had 2 companies do our Heatpump cleans and one of them took 15 minutes and the other 50 minutes.

 

 


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  #2227871 30-Apr-2019 11:13
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E3xtc:

 

What do they actually do when they clean them? From everything that I can see, its unscrew the cover(s), remove debris, wipe down and spray the coil with water, do everything back up. It seems a little like paying a dealer to clean your car....totally understand that some people just would rather not do it themselves, so no dig at anyone, but mainly just wanting to understand if there is something I am missing? Also if the unit is under the house in a location not subjected to weather etc, is it even less likely to need a clean? 

 

 

I had mine done the other day by Wasabi in Wellington, I was happy with their work. Took them a couple of hours for two pumps. Looks like they did:

 

  • Took the indoor unit covers off, including unscrewing some things
  • A thorough clean of all indoor unit covers and filters
  • A wet clean of the indoor unit fins
  • Check of operation - if it gets up to temperature as expected I think that's a sign it's working fine and has enough gas
  • Outdoor unit clean the fins and case, straighten any bent fins, put some kind of protective spray on the case. Case was not removed, he said it wasn't required
  • Touch up paint to outdoor unit at my request

Whereas the previous crowd (not sure who) just cleaned the filters, wiped the indoor unit, and hosed the outdoor unit. I stopped getting it serviced after that, did it myself, until it started smelling a bit musty.


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  #2227892 30-Apr-2019 11:46
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Eh, Occums razor - if it was working perfectly fine for 5 years and only after they did something it stopped.

 

And then to not take evidence (such as brown scorch marks??) photos of the fault then I would refuse to pay.

If you argue:

 

They performed work.

 

It failed within hours of the work performed.

 

With the track record of no faults in 5 years, the onus is on the Company to provide proof it was not their fault.

 

If they can't provide proof, then why should you believe them? I've had Samsung lied point blank to my face before. Everyone lies to save their ass.

 

However they can either wear a bad review on Google/Facebook and lose a customer or swallow the cost as an unfortunate series of events and possibly take better records next time.


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  #2227960 30-Apr-2019 13:46
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The thing it keeps coming back to me is.. working flawlessly for 5+ years, and if it was an insect, the insect would have gotten a shock which would have killed it, then it would have fallen down, which then would have stopped the device from tripping from that point onward. 

 

Stuff in their favour, it hasn't tripped since. 

 

I might suggest a compromise with them. 

 

 


 
 
 

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  #2227964 30-Apr-2019 13:56
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Perhaps this could happen with a wet sensor not reporting a temperature change as expected due to water left in a wrong place following the cleaning. Crowbar power off and waiting for removal of mains. When everything was equally damp first run after the cleaning it warmed up evenly without indicating distress but after running the hot bits would have dried.

 

 

If this be the case then it might not happen again.

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  #2227966 30-Apr-2019 14:00
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Yeah, my first thought was that it was moisture related. Moisture somewhere it should have been.

 

 


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