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#268339 13-Mar-2020 09:12
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We're finally about to start the rebuild, and looking at options for windows, flooring, etc once we get to that stage. Problem is that everything looks more or less identical, there are a dozen different uPVC window suppliers, all roughly the same, composite decking, mostly the same, etc. If anyone has any positive/negative experiences with any of the following I'd be interested to hear them:

 

 

Windows/Doors: Altherm, Warm Windows, Homerit, etc, all seem about the same. Warm Windows claim their sliding/stacker doors lock tight against the seal when closed which is useful since we're in a coastal area, but apart from that there's not much difference.

 

 

Deck: Composite, e.g. Futurewood Walnut, deck clips are SS, Diana Drive. Ekologix, plastic clips but no suitable colours, Highland Oak = beige.

 

 

Floor: HM Walk Jarrah, from Hurford Flooring or Nufloors or Flooring Centre, etc. Hurford showroom in Albany.

 

 

Gutter: uPVC, external clips not internal brackets to make cleaning out leaves easier, uPVC Marley Typhoon with leaf diverter, Marley Curve. Going with external clips really limits the range - I wouldn't go with Typhoon otherwise - is it worth the tradeoff? I know it'll look a lot uglier, but we get a fair few leaves in the gutters and internal clips make cleaning them a major pain.

 

 

Solar tube: Maxlight ML25 or Solatube 160DS, both 250mm.

 

 

Blinds: Thermacell or Whisper Shades honeycomb translucent, Penrose and East Tamaki showrooms.

 

 

At the moment we're leaning towards Warm Windows, Futurewood, HM Walk, and guttering undecided, but that's based more on pick-at-random than a strong reason to prefer A to B.

 


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  #2437333 13-Mar-2020 09:25
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We had Homerit replace half the house (budget reasons) windows and exterior doors in September and we've just ordered the second half of the house to be done this week.  Couldn't be happier.  Process was smooth.  Happy with the quality of the product.

 

This was after a recommendation from someone who had done theirs 3 years ago and let us have a look through their house.

 

The tilt-and-turn windows we have selected for some areas are fantastic for leaving tilted open for fresh air during the day without security issues or rain shower worries.  It's kind of a shame that they only 'fully open' inwards, but they are also fantastic as a potential escape route for the kids (and adults!) in a fire, as opposed to outward opening windows that can't be left open during the day, or with security stays that can remain open but can't be used as an escape route.

 

It's also fun to scare the crap out of people with a tilt and turn door. 😂

 

I'm a massive fan.

 

The only maintenance required is a spray of silicone lube every other year on the hinges etc.

 

If you want to wander out west, we'd be happy to show you ours.

 

 

 

 

 

Re guttering....  we had continuous metal guttering run just under 5 years ago and the corner joins are leaking within the 5 year warranty.  The company is not returning phone calls or emails.  It looks good, but I'm concerned about its longevity.  Next time I'd consider coloured PVC, so the dirt doesn't show up as much as it does on white PVC.





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Deck - Composite. Any particular reason to go composite? They get very hot to walk on in summers. We are going with Vitex or you could even do Kwilla?

 

Floor - Whichever floor brand and model you decide on, I highly recommend that you take a large sample home of the colours and look at them during morning daylight, evening natural light and night time under your warm white or cool white LED's to see whether you like it. We are going with Quickstep Majestic. They are made in Belgium and rated very highly.





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  #2437556 13-Mar-2020 14:12
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billgates:

 

Deck - Composite. Any particular reason to go composite? They get very hot to walk on in summers. We are going with Vitex or you could even do Kwilla?

 

Floor - Whichever floor brand and model you decide on, I highly recommend that you take a large sample home of the colours and look at them during morning daylight, evening natural light and night time under your warm white or cool white LED's to see whether you like it. We are going with Quickstep Majestic. They are made in Belgium and rated very highly.

 

 

We have Kwila, and that gets pretty hot too. Unless you are happy for Kwila deck to silver off, the ongoing maintenance is a real chore. The maintenance is why we will probably go composite at our new place.


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  #2437604 13-Mar-2020 17:05
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@Dynamic: Thanks for the Homerit feedback. Since they all seem more or less the same, it's good to have some pointers. Agree with the guttering, thus the automatic selection of uPVC, anything metal would just rot in the salt spray.

 

 

@billgates: Maintenance, maintenance, maintenance. I know composites get hot, but after doing constant maintenance on our existing deck for years I'll go for anything low-maintenance. Composite decking and uPVC everything are a shoe-in. Thanks for the flooring hint, we'll do that since it's Mrs.Neb's choice and she wants the colour right. Primary reason for selecting the HM Walk is that it's one of the few we've found that looks like real wood rather than plastic pretending to be wood. Even if it's apparently wood many vendors still manage to make it look like souped-up lino.

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  #2437609 13-Mar-2020 17:09
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Dont bother with the solartube, the costs dont stack up vs just leaving an LED light on all day and many people I know who have them have had leak problems with them. Plus the new way of doing roof penetrations leads to a butt ugly thing going all the way to the top of the roof down to the penetration. Was going to have to have one of those for an exit for my solar panel cable so ended up coming out the wall and up to avoid that.





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  #2437665 13-Mar-2020 18:49
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Doors and Windows - We have PVC from homerit and they are fantastic.

 

deck - composite - Not all are created equal. Some are just a 0.5mm colouring so if you scratch them you will have a different colour. Timberdech do not go all they through, Outdure does, they have a really cool aluminium frame so once you lay the deck it will never warp / crack and be square and true.

 

I would not go timber again, the hard part is finding a competent installer. some have said composite get hot, so does timber. I have removed a timber deck that was around 11 years old as it was starting to rot, there was too much leaf litter from next doors trees for me to keep up with. Composite does not rot / warp / twist, if it is done right there are no visible nails or screws.

 

You only have to clean composite once a year or so.

 

 

 

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  #2437678 13-Mar-2020 19:53
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Guttering - I'm currently switching over to Marley Typhoon in Grey Friars with external brackets. Replacing white Stormcloud. I actually like the look of the external brackets. They're quite a bit more expensive though.

 

Solartube - We installed a Velux "sun tunnel". Works great, really happy with it.

 

Blinds - I get all my blinds from Online Blinds. Great to deal with, super cheap, and they have the thermal cell ones.

 

Deck - Real wood for me, Clive. For the reasons outlined here and on lots of other threads. Accoya is an acetalysed timber which has most of the benefits of composites, while still actually looking good. But is is expensive. Timspec have both this and the Evalast bamboo stuff (though I've never used that. Might be worth a look. I think they do flooring too?)


 
 
 
 


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  #2437732 13-Mar-2020 21:26
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@mdf How much more expensive roughly Accoya is over Vitex? Which brand screws would you recommend for it? Any specific installation systems you would recommend or simply install over timber joists? Any particular decking stain or oil would you recommend? 

 

@neb I would also recommend running power cables to each blind/curtain location. Motors are cheap at $100 per blind so you can slowly motorise over time if budget does not allow to do it all at one and you can install the motors yourself.





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  #2437734 13-Mar-2020 21:32
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Does composite really have less maintainence than hardwood? It's still going to need cleaning.

Silvered Vitex is about as low maintenance as you can get while still being super stable.

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  #2437794 13-Mar-2020 23:05
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billgates:

 

mdf How much more expensive roughly Accoya is over Vitex? Which brand screws would you recommend for it? Any specific installation systems you would recommend or simply install over timber joists? Any particular decking stain or oil would you recommend? <snip>

 

Have a look at this thread. A little under twice the price of vitex, that was a few years ago now though. Some info on screw stuff there too. I normally just go for a basic butt joint and screw straight down into the joist, but use a trim head screw.


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  #2438011 14-Mar-2020 15:25
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deck - composite - Not all are created equal. Some are just a 0.5mm colouring so if you scratch them you will have a different colour. Timberdech do not go all they through, Outdure does, they have a really cool aluminium frame so once you lay the deck it will never warp / crack and be square and true.

 

 

This is the Futurewood stuff we're planning to use:

 

 

 

 

Scratching shouldn't be a problem, and they have a 25-year warranty.

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Guttering - I'm currently switching over to Marley Typhoon in Grey Friars with external brackets. Replacing white Stormcloud. I actually like the look of the external brackets. They're quite a bit more expensive though.

 

Blinds - I get all my blinds from Online Blinds. Great to deal with, super cheap, and they have the thermal cell ones.

 

 

That's the downside of external brackets, since the default is internal you pay premiums for external. I don't really need Typhoon, just generic half-round white PVC, I'll have to do a bit more digging for those.

 

 

For Online Blinds you mean onlineblinds.co.nz? Will check their prices, we did a quick poll at various home/reno shows and prices were fairly uniform around $800 for a 2m^2 ranch slider/window, I think that was the installed cost.

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  #2438133 14-Mar-2020 17:38
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Marley Flowline has external brackets as an option. Bunnings pricing $2.48 int /$3.67 external bracket. Some of the Typhoon external brackets have a bigger differential pricing than grey friars or white.

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  #2439431 16-Mar-2020 16:31
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The Flowline is weird-looking, very high front which both looks odd and would make it difficult to clean. I'd looked at that but dismissed it pretty quickly. So it looks like the only options will be non-Marley, looked at one or two there but they're selling themselves as exotic European products, which I assume means $$$.

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  #2439456 16-Mar-2020 17:06
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Handle9: Does composite really have less maintainence than hardwood? It's still going to need cleaning.

Silvered Vitex is about as low maintenance as you can get while still being super stable.

 

 

 

How durable long term is composite?

 

 

 

Does natural  vitex last as long as stained vitex? Or is it normal to let is just go silver? 


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