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#272426 24-Jun-2020 13:36
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We are trying to plan our concreting, and need to consider gas bottle delivery.

 

The gas cylinders won't be able to be accessed from the driveway, so we are wanting to put in a separate little path from the street. However the front of the section has a slope and I am not sure what to do for the gas man access.

 

I have contacted the gas company (Contact Rockgas) to try to find out if they have guidelines on maximum slope, but I didn't get anywhere. They basically said they don't like delivering up steps and prefer a ramp and essentially said "once you put something in we'll assess it and tell you if it's suitable". There was no option for them to come and look before we put in the concrete to give guidance.

 

I did find the following on their website about stairs, but nothing specific about ramps or slopes:

 

https://rockgas.co.nz/lpg-bottle-basics/

 

 

If access by stairs cannot be avoided, stair risers need to be less than 200mm high, treads more than 200mm wide, and the total rise of the steps needs to be no more than 1.5m.

 

 

So I really don't know what to put in steps or ramp? What would be the maximum slope of a concrete ramp to be safe (and usable). Any advise would be greatly appreciated.


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  #2511451 24-Jun-2020 14:29
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Are we talking about a gentle rise?, or the Hillary Step?,  until we get some details its hard to say..

 

Accessible ramps have to be lower than 1:12, how much steeper is it?




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  #2511475 24-Jun-2020 14:41
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wellygary:

 

Are we talking about a gentle rise?, or the Hillary Step?,  until we get some details its hard to say..

 

Accessible ramps have to be lower than 1:12, how much steeper is it?

 

 

Way steeper than that, I'd say a good 20 degrees.


 
 
 
 


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  #2511493 24-Jun-2020 15:15
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Is the driveway similar in slope?, if it is get them to come round and tell you if they would deliver up the driveway?




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  #2511497 24-Jun-2020 15:18
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wellygary:

 

Is the driveway similar in slope?, if it is get them to come round and tell you if they would deliver up the driveway?

 

 

The driveway isn't in yet, but will be a little more gradual. They won't come around to look until they can see the actual access they'll be using.

 

I tried Elgas and they said the same thing.


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  #2511500 24-Jun-2020 15:23
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I wouldn't have thought that a ramp is a suitable solution for a 20% gradient. Is the total rise under 1.5m? If so then steps in accordance with their max 200mm risers and min 200mm treads might be a better solution.


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  #2511548 24-Jun-2020 16:22
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What about insitu filling? This is how elgas fill my 2 tanks



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  #2511662 24-Jun-2020 19:02
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panther2: What about insitu filling? This is how elgas fill my 2 tanks

 

there's a much larger ignition exclusion zone for insitu filling which would rule us out.


 
 
 
 




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  #2511669 24-Jun-2020 19:11
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Senecio:

 

I wouldn't have thought that a ramp is a suitable solution for a 20% gradient. Is the total rise under 1.5m? If so then steps in accordance with their max 200mm risers and min 200mm treads might be a better solution.

 

 

We would be within those guidelines, but I think it's also up to the drivers discretion as well. My concreter had a look this afternoon and has said from his experience with the gas companies is that sloping the concrete is a safer bet, and that it won't be as steep as I think. He said he's done a sloped path at one place because the gas people refused to take it up one step!

 

I guess we'll see.


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  #2511729 24-Jun-2020 20:40
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Can you accommodate the bottles at the bottom and pipe it up to your house?

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  #2511798 24-Jun-2020 21:09
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@Paul1977 slightly off topic but would you mind sharing what kind of money you are paying for your drive? We have a
100m long drive and were quoted $100K to concrete it last year - yes that's right $1000 per metre. Seemed way over the top.

Interested in what you're roughly paying per metre.



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  #2511800 24-Jun-2020 21:12
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elpenguino: Can you accommodate the bottles at the bottom and pipe it up to your house?

 

Never even considered that, not a bad idea but too late in the game for us to do at this point.




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  #2511804 24-Jun-2020 21:28
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tchart: @Paul1977 slightly off topic but would you mind sharing what kind of money you are paying for your drive? We have a
100m long drive and were quoted $100K to concrete it last year - yes that's right $1000 per metre. Seemed way over the top.

Interested in what you're roughly paying per metre.

 

@tchart

 

$117.30 inc GST per square meter for exposed aggregate. That includes all excavation, the mesh & chairs, cutting, acid wash and 2 coats of sealer.

 

$101.20 inc GST for plain unsealed concrete.

 

Is your drive really wide? Perhaps there is more to it pouring such a long driveway like yours?

 

Where in the country are you?

 

 


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  #2512037 25-Jun-2020 10:32
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Paul1977:

 

tchart: @Paul1977 slightly off topic but would you mind sharing what kind of money you are paying for your drive? We have a
100m long drive and were quoted $100K to concrete it last year - yes that's right $1000 per metre. Seemed way over the top.

Interested in what you're roughly paying per metre.

 

@tchart

 

$117.30 inc GST per square meter for exposed aggregate. That includes all excavation, the mesh & chairs, cutting, acid wash and 2 coats of sealer.

 

$101.20 inc GST for plain unsealed concrete.

 

Is your drive really wide? Perhaps there is more to it pouring such a long driveway like yours?

 

Where in the country are you?

 

 

 

 

Thanks @Paul1977 for sharing - very interesting. Our drive is just long, not wide. We are in Wellington.

 

I was think about your issue. I would have think a slope wouldve been preferred as I thought they would generally use a trolley to move the gas bottles.


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  #2512054 25-Jun-2020 11:18
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@Paul1977 @tchart I have been quoted $98 incl GST for plain concrete driveway in Waikato so going ahead with it.

 

 

10% Black oxide 120mm thick driveway with one layer of SE665 mesh. Price includes: full preparation, boxing, concrete supply and placing, concrete cutting, acid wash and seal.




Do whatever you want to do man.

  



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  #2512059 25-Jun-2020 11:25
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billgates: @Paul1977 @tchart I have been quoted $98 incl GST for plain concrete driveway in Waikato so going ahead with it. 10% Black oxide 120mm thick driveway with one layer of SE665 mesh. Price includes: full preparation, boxing, concrete supply and placing, concrete cutting, acid wash and seal.

 

@billgates you've confused me - if it's got black oxide, and is being acid washed and sealed then it's darkened exposed ag, not plain?

 

The quotes I've had have been for 100mm. So if it's 120mm exposed ag with oxide for $98/m2 inc GST that sound very cheap.


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