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MikeAqua

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#293686 8-Feb-2022 09:49
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So I want to build freestanding wall with high thermal mass at the end of my driveway (North facing with good sun exposure)

 

Purpose is to grow passionfruit vine.  My neighbours have one doing very well, on a North facing wall of their (brick) house.  My assumption is that the thermal mass of the brick wall and the shelter of the eaves stops their passionfruit succumbing to frosts.

 

So I want to replicate this.  I can use some corrugated clear plastic to provide eaves.  The tricky bit is to build a high thermal mass wall 1.8 high cheaply and securely.

 

My only idea so far is to build a concrete block wall and fill it with sand.





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  #2863416 8-Feb-2022 10:23
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Our passion fruit vines are on a narrow garden along our north facing veranda (timber deck)... well sheltered from the south and also gives us privacy to our neighbours.

 

A good crop of fruit every year.... I give the vines plenty of water and a good feed of blood and bone every year. No thermal mass... Northern Hawkes Bay...

 

Edit: the vines are supported on 150 x 150mm reinforcing mesh so that the vines are expossed to air both sides.





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  #2863460 8-Feb-2022 11:27
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could fill up a rectangular water tank?
https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/bailey-slim-jim-water-tank-1000-litres-white/p/376044

Otherwise my suggestion would be a concrete block (filled) wall


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  #2863522 8-Feb-2022 11:56
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thewabbit:

 

could fill up a rectangular water tank?
https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/bailey-slim-jim-water-tank-1000-litres-white/p/376044

Otherwise my suggestion would be a concrete block (filled) wall

 

 

That could work.  I'd need to quake-safe it, but that's no biggie.  It would be about 4 m from the corner of the garage, so I could run storm water to it.

 

I wonder what sort of temp it would stabilise at over winter.  The pool tends to get down to about 10*C.





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  #2863523 8-Feb-2022 11:57
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You won't get good thermal properties with only a sand filling. Best to use a slightly runny mix of sand and/or fine aggregate and cement. Block fill is the appropriate term. Not sure on specific ratios, and sounds like your wall will be too small for using a concrete truck.

 

As long as it is sloppy to fill all the gaps and no large aggregate. Small mixes as it is slow to place. If the wall is high consider hiring a pencil vibrator to eliminate air gaps.


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  #2863532 8-Feb-2022 12:07
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MikeAqua:

 

thewabbit:

 

could fill up a rectangular water tank?
https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/bailey-slim-jim-water-tank-1000-litres-white/p/376044

Otherwise my suggestion would be a concrete block (filled) wall

 

 

That could work.  I'd need to quake-safe it, but that's no biggie.  It would be about 4 m from the corner of the garage, so I could run storm water to it.

 

I wonder what sort of temp it would stabilise at over winter.  The pool tends to get down to about 10*C.

 

 

 

 

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.... Could setup a small 12v pump to pump water to the roof and circulate it around some black hose to add a bit of extra heat in the winter ( could also work in summer to remove heat if you ran it at night)

 

 


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  #2863594 8-Feb-2022 14:05
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I would be very cautious about building any sort of free standing wall. They are inherently unstable and should ideally be braced back against another structure or to the ground. 


 
 
 

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  #2863650 8-Feb-2022 16:13
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wally22:

 

You won't get good thermal properties with only a sand filling. Best to use a slightly runny mix of sand and/or fine aggregate and cement. Block fill is the appropriate term. Not sure on specific ratios, and sounds like your wall will be too small for using a concrete truck.

 

As long as it is sloppy to fill all the gaps and no large aggregate. Small mixes as it is slow to place. If the wall is high consider hiring a pencil vibrator to eliminate air gaps.

 

 

Thanks I could do that no problem.

 

1 wheelbarrow at a time.





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  #2863652 8-Feb-2022 16:13
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thewabbit:

 

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.... Could setup a small 12v pump to pump water to the roof and circulate it around some black hose to add a bit of extra heat in the winter ( could also work in summer to remove heat if you ran it at night)

 

 

Great minds think alike!





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  #2863653 8-Feb-2022 16:15
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Senecio:

 

I would be very cautious about building any sort of free standing wall. They are inherently unstable and should ideally be braced back against another structure or to the ground. 

 

 

Free standing was poor choice of words I'd dig it in a little and its close the the corner of a robust boundary fence, so plenty of bracing options.





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