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#301890 12-Oct-2022 09:50
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Common wisdom for lithium based rechargeable batteries is in order to extend battery life you should charge to about 80% and discharge to about 40%. I've read a couple of articles recently that suggest that this common wisdom isn't completely correct.

 

Some people replace phones frequently, so the battery lifetime wouldn't be a big deal for them. Others hold onto a phone until it fails, for them it does matter.

 

AccuBattery (an Android app) has these articles which they say is based on hard research, and they give their sources / references:

 

  • Charging - research and methodology (link)
  • Re: Battery University article BU-808 (link)

To summarise, in case the articles are removed in future:

 

  • Not all the advice on the internet is based on facts / research
  • Charging has two phases, constant current and constant voltage. The later starts somewhere around 80% of charge is more damaging for the battery
  • For every 0.1V increase in battery end charge state the battery life is halved
  • Charging in less than one hour damages the battery
  • Charging to about 4.1V is best for the battery. Manufactures set their "100% charged" level at different voltages, which varies between 4.2V and 4.5V. My Pixel 4a hits 4.1V at about 79% charged. My wife's Samsung S22 hit it at about 85% charged.
  • Discharge depth doesn't affect battery longevity. You can let your battery get as low as you like and it won't damage it. I personally prefer to keep it above 20% but that's for practical reasons rather than longevity.

 

 

The articles provide references:

 

     

  1. Asakura, K., Shimomura, M., & Shodai, T. (2003). Study of life evaluation methods for Li-ion batteries for backup applications. Journal of Power Sources, 119-121, 902-905. doi:10.1016/s0378-7753(03)00208-8
  2. Choi, S. S., & Lim, H. S. (2002). Factors that affect cycle-life and possible degradation mechanisms of a Li-ion cell based on LiCoO2. Journal of Power Sources, 111(1), 130-136. doi:10.1016/s0378-7753(02)00305-1
  3. Ratnakumar, B. V., Smart, M. C., & Whitcanack, L. (2010). Storage Characteristics of Lithium-Ion Cells. doi:10.1149/1.3393865
  4. Takeno, K., & Shirota, R. (2006). Capacity Deterioration Characteristics of Li-ion Batteries for Mobile Terminals. NTT DoCoMo Technical Journal, 7(4), 66-70.

 

 

 

Update

 

Further research I've found. Most of it is more relevant to electric cars than phones, but the principles should apply.

 

Extending Battery Lifetime by Avoiding High SOC

 

Summary: only charge a battery as high as you need it to extend the lifespan.

 

 

 

State-of-Health Estimation of Li-ion Batteries: Cycle Life Test Methods
Summary: The longest lifetime is observed for cells cycled with low peak currents and a narrow SOC range. In addition, high charge current is found to affect the cycle life profoundly. On the contrary, a moderate temperature increase did not result in a shorter cycle life.

 

 

 

Cycle-life model for graphite-LiFePO4 cells

 

Summary: At the low C-rates [Charge rates], experimental results indicated that the capacity loss was strongly affected by time and temperature, while the DOD effect was less important. At the high C-rates, the charge/discharge rate effects became significant.

 

Influence of state-of-charge in commercial LiNi0.33Mn0.33Co0.33O2/LiMn2O4-graphite cells analyzed by synchrotron-based photoelectron spectroscopy

 

Summary: It was found from the extensive cycling that the cycle life was shorter for the cell cycled in the higher SOC range, 60–70%, than the cells in the 10-20% range.

 

 

 

Overall summary: avoid charging the battery higher than you need it to be charged, don't charge it too fast (in less than an hour), and keep the battery cool especially while charging. There's also a suggestion in the last paper than the further you discharge the battery the more wear it experiences, but it's not clear from the abstract if that cell had the same total power supplied (ie lower discharge but more of them) or it just had less use.

 

 

 

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I've rarely charged my Pixel 4a battery above 80%. It's two years old and AccuBattery is reporting battery health is 95% - capacity is down from 3080mah to 2884mah, which is pretty good.

 

I'm interested in any other research based information people have found.


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  #2981880 12-Oct-2022 10:50
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Also worth noting that 0% and 100% are somewhat arbitrary and can be altered in software. Draining to 0% is not generally harmful, because that doesn't equate to 0V. Draining beyond 0% is harmful - ie. if you have a dead battery and keep trying to turn the phone on, or leaving it dead for a long period of time, say more than a few hours.

Also note that battery voltage drop over time is not linear, so the differences between your phone and your wife's phone may be more than just brand differences, it could be battery health adjustments made in software to keep the 0-100% band useful (ie. to stop your phone suddenly dropping to 0% and shutting down when it had 4% a minute ago), or that you just measured on a different part of the steeper area near the top end of the discharge curve.



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  #2981882 12-Oct-2022 10:55
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Oh wait, you wanted hard facts, not ramblings of a random forum user... Sorry. 🤣

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  #2981885 12-Oct-2022 10:59
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If all I wanted was hard facts I wouldn't post on Geekzone 😉😜

 

Facts are most useful, though.




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  #2981891 12-Oct-2022 11:11
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  • For every 0.1V increase in battery end charge state the battery life is halved

 

Looking at their graph, it appears that they define "battery life" as the time before the battery can't hold more than about 75% of its original charge. And the above statement relates to continually charging at that voltage above 4.1V

 

Also looking at their graph, it looks like one dot represents maybe 10 charge cycles. So charging 10 times to 4.35V would reduce your battery life by maybe 1%, and 100 times would reduce it by 10%. But after that it is much more expensive, at about 4% capacity per 10 charges.

 

I guess the answer is to buy a phone with a bigger battery, so that (a) you rarely (if ever) are in the position of needing that extra/last 20% (so you can stop charging at 80%), and (b) when it does lose some capacity there's still enough left to be useful.

 

 


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  #2981892 12-Oct-2022 11:12
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I'm amazed at the number of power tool batteries that have no balancing internal, and no capability of the charger to balance them out. Im guessing the warranty claims got to ryobi since the new ones seem to have it, but others lack anything so once a single cell goes low, because of the way internal resistance makes it happen they quickly go to the point where one is at the low cut out and one is at the high cut out and the pack is "dead" - this leads people to "jump start" them off another pack or something leading to problems.





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  #2981907 12-Oct-2022 11:42
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frankv:

 

I guess the answer is to buy a phone with a bigger battery, so that (a) you rarely (if ever) are in the position of needing that extra/last 20% (so you can stop charging at 80%), and (b) when it does lose some capacity there's still enough left to be useful.

 

 

It would be helpful to be able to set this kind of threshold in the OS.  I have no idea how that would work electronically, but conceptually it would be good idea.

 

I have a Samsung M51 and the battery is an absolute tank, so I'd happily limit it to 80%.





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  #2981910 12-Oct-2022 11:47
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Mi xiaomi 11 pro has the weirdest battery. It will charge and say 100% but its still taking 5-6 watts from the charger, and will do that for ages before dropping back to nothing or a tiny amount.

 

Then when I use it, it will stay on 100% till about 3pm with moderate usage. So its a lie that 100% is 100%.

 

Once it starts dropping in the afternoon it drops like I would expect a phone battery to go down.

 

Also the 120 watt charging is a lie. It says 100w or 120w depending on the charger, but it seems no faster than on a 65w normal USB C charger.





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  #2981930 12-Oct-2022 12:35
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MikeAqua: ... It would be helpful to be able to set this kind of threshold in the OS. ...

 

Some (newer?) Samsung models include this as an optional setting.


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  #2981944 12-Oct-2022 13:04
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MikeAqua:

 

frankv:

 

I guess the answer is to buy a phone with a bigger battery, so that (a) you rarely (if ever) are in the position of needing that extra/last 20% (so you can stop charging at 80%), and (b) when it does lose some capacity there's still enough left to be useful.

 

 

It would be helpful to be able to set this kind of threshold in the OS.  I have no idea how that would work electronically, but conceptually it would be good idea.

 

I have a Samsung M51 and the battery is an absolute tank, so I'd happily limit it to 80%.

 

 

AccuBattery provides this functionally to an extent - you can set an alarm to let you know that you've hit 80% (or another percentage.) 

 

My understanding is that actually pausing charging (instead of just providing a notification) requires some form of low-level control that only the manufacturer can provide.





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  #2981963 12-Oct-2022 14:03
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lapimate:

 

MikeAqua: ... It would be helpful to be able to set this kind of threshold in the OS. ...

 

Some (newer?) Samsung models include this as an optional setting.

 

 

Thank you.  I found this in all my Smasung devices (Android 12) under: -

 

Battery and Device Care > Battery > More Battery Settings

 

It limits charging to 85%.





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  #2981965 12-Oct-2022 14:19
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Nice feature from Samsung, it'd be good if Google provided that to all phones.


 
 
 

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  #2981967 12-Oct-2022 14:22
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I've been running AccuBattery on a Galaxy A8 since some time in 2018 and have had it set to alert me when charging hits the 80% mark, although inevitably it sometimes goes past that. Accubattery is currently reporting battery health at 88%, with a reduction in capacity from 3,000 mAh to 2,641 mAh


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  #2981968 12-Oct-2022 14:25
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Some Lenovo laptops have a power management option to limit charge to about 56% to maximise battery lifespan when the laptop is normally used on mains power. This level of charge apparently minimises internal stresses in the cells. It's also why new batteries are supplied approximately 50% charged.





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  #2982006 12-Oct-2022 15:50
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Gurezaemon:

 

AccuBattery provides this functionally to an extent - you can set an alarm to let you know that you've hit 80% (or another percentage.) 

 

My understanding is that actually pausing charging (instead of just providing a notification) requires some form of low-level control that only the manufacturer can provide.

 

 

If you have a Wifi-enabled plug, you could have an app monitor the battery state and send a message to the plug to turn it off. Or similarly via BT. Maybe something similar via OTG, except I think OTG doesn't allow power supply IIRC. Or use a specific tone for the alert, and detect that in an external device that turns off the charger.

 

But these are all work-arounds for a deficiency in the OS. And of course phone manufacturers have no motivation to decrease the rate at which cellphones wear out.

 

 


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  #2982026 12-Oct-2022 16:29
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DonH:

 

Some Lenovo laptops have a power management option to limit charge to about 56% to maximise battery lifespan when the laptop is normally used on mains power. This level of charge apparently minimises internal stresses in the cells. It's also why new batteries are supplied approximately 50% charged.

 

 

hp has something analagous on the probook





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