Exterior Painting and the Pal Speed Brush

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#302631 7-Dec-2022 17:15

My big summer job is to repaint our 22 year old (2000) back and 2 sides of our house exterior.

The surface has now become very tired looking with cracks and chips appearing and generalised staining.

Approximate surface area of 67 m/sq including surfeits but excluding 1 doorway and 7 window areas.

The exterior construction is Hardiflex panels. On top of this was applied "Dulux Luxaclad rolled on concrete". It has then been finished with Dulux Spruce Weathershield Semi Gloss Acrylic of a whitest colour. Having spoken to Dulux the "Luxaclad rolled on concrete" paint system is no longer.

I will be repainting, after an undercoat touch up, with Resene Lumbersider - Villa White.

The business of masking the one doorway and seven window areas does not enthral me. As it is I have to mask out the ½" wrap round Gum Green gutter fascia which butts up onto the soffits. 45 years ago I was an aircraft painter so I know the difficulties of paint prep and masking, it can be a PIA.

So my question is:

1 - Large paint brush and cutting in brush
2 - or rough surface roller and cutting in brush
3 - or the Pal Speed Brush Deck & Fence Kit system. (for semi rough surfaces)

I have had several, pub advice, talks and it is split evenly between system 2 & 3. What I like about the Speed Brush is it is most likely the one with the least paint splatter therefore I do not have to be so diligent in complete cover masking. Probably ??? just 1" tape around all cut out frames.

Opinions please.

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#3007012 7-Dec-2022 18:28

What's the texture? I've not painted Hardiflex before, but usually a roller will be quicker and more even for large flat areas. But if the roller has too high a nap, you might get bubbles that you need to tip out. A roller probably isn't any messier than a big speed brush on walls, but a speed brush will likely be better for soffits (I use a speed brush for soffits, though not a huge one).

When I cut in exteriors, I seldom both with masking unless it is quick and easy (e.g., flashings, hinges). I just use a cutting in brush and have a damp cloth and bucket for when I mess up. It won't be perfect, but is good enough for exterior quality finishes. That said, I do use a Shur Line edging speed brush when I can - with a little bit of care, decent results super quickly. I got mine from Bunnings but don't seem to be in stock currently. There seems to be a PAL equivalent but without the flip up rollers so probably not as good.

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#3007029 7-Dec-2022 18:58

mdf:

What's the texture?

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#3007035 7-Dec-2022 19:19

Roller or airless sprayer. Airless sprayer involves a lot of prep with masking etc but painting will be done in 1-2 days and probably have a better finish on a textured finish like that.

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#3007037 7-Dec-2022 19:21

Gulp! I'd probably start with a number 3 (super thick nap) but have a brush standing by because I suspect there will be some crevices you won't get paint in to no matter what you do. #3 is quite fast because it hold a lot of paint, but you will definitely want drop cloths under you. But failing that, I would fall back on a normal 100mm brush.

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#3007039 7-Dec-2022 19:25

Handle9:

Roller or airless sprayer. Airless sprayer involves a lot of prep with masking etc but painting will be done in 1-2 days and probably have a better finish on a textured finish like that.

Generally I would agree. But outdoor spraying is _very_ weather dependent (I live in Wellington and the need for several still days in a row make spraying... unlikely).

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#3007123 7-Dec-2022 23:21

mdf:
Generally I would agree. But outdoor spraying is _very_ weather dependent (I live in Wellington and the need for several still days in a row make spraying... unlikely).

Yep, and you'll go through 2-3 times more paint.

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#3007131 8-Dec-2022 00:26

mdf:
Handle9:

Roller or airless sprayer. Airless sprayer involves a lot of prep with masking etc but painting will be done in 1-2 days and probably have a better finish on a textured finish like that.

Generally I would agree. But outdoor spraying is _very_ weather dependent (I live in Wellington and the need for several still days in a row make spraying... unlikely).

Yeah a friend of mine's neighbour sprayed their house and the breeze drifted dark coloured paint all over his fairly new house. A huge insurance payout followed...

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#3007137 8-Dec-2022 03:37

FineWine:
It has then been finished with Dulux Spruce Weathershield Semi Gloss Acrylic
I will be repainting, after an undercoat touch up, with Resene Lumbersider - Villa White.

Have you already bought the paint? Resene Sonyx 101 is the semi gloss equivalent to the Spruce.

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#3007145 8-Dec-2022 06:49

Just a note, as you probably know, preparation is (almost) everything when it comes to painting.

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#3007165 8-Dec-2022 08:09

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FineWine:
It has then been finished with Dulux Spruce Weathershield Semi Gloss Acrylic

I will be repainting, after an undercoat touch up, with Resene Lumbersider - Villa White.

Have you already bought the paint? Resene Sonyx 101 is the semi gloss equivalent to the Spruce.

Oh dear you have made me realise something. Semi Gloss vs Low Sheen. As the original paint is now 22yrs old it is no longer Semi Gloss and looks very much like Low Sheen and my brain got trapped in that rut. So the original finish would have been a lot glossier than now. Mmmmmm

I see that Resene Sonyx 101 is the same price as Lumbersider and there is not much difference in their descriptions except it is the next generation of exterior paint.

I quite like the info on this Sonyx 101 paint. The longer time between me having to repaint again the better.

Resene Sonyx 101 is a member of a new generation family of waterborne coatings optimised for superior toughness, durability and adhesion, combined with superb flowing good looks.

Typical uses: Block and brickwork, concrete, fibre cement, G.R.C. panels, primed galvanised steel, primed timber, solid plaster, wallboards.

Spoken to Resene this morning and the bloke knew about the old Dulux rolled on concrete and he advise not to use the SpeedBrush as to many bumps etc and to use a #2 nap roller and cut in with a brush on this type of surface.

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#3007225 8-Dec-2022 10:42

Both lumbersider (low sheen/satin) and sonyx (semi gloss) are recommended for concrete, stucco etc. In theory the higher the gloss the more durable, but I would be picking primarily based on the look you're going for rather than theoretical durability.

Related, it is usually easier to get a nicer finish on lower gloss paints. Higher gloss paints show the imperfections more, particularly when you look along a painted surface (like the outside of a house).

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#3007320 8-Dec-2022 12:49

The cement spatter finish on the fibre cement removes any issue around gloss level and imperfections. Time flies past so fast that a semi gloss finish soon looks low sheen.

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#3007385 8-Dec-2022 14:50

FineWine:

I see that Resene Sonyx 101 is the same price as Lumbersider and there is not much difference in their descriptions except it is the next generation of exterior paint.

I quite like the info on this Sonyx 101 paint. The longer time between me having to repaint again the better.

Resene Sonyx 101 is a member of a new generation family of waterborne coatings optimised for superior toughness, durability and adhesion, combined with superb flowing good looks.

Typical uses: Block and brickwork, concrete, fibre cement, G.R.C. panels, primed galvanised steel, primed timber, solid plaster, wallboards.

Spoken to Resene this morning and the bloke knew about the old Dulux rolled on concrete and he advise not to use the SpeedBrush as to many bumps etc and to use a #2 nap roller and cut in with a brush on this type of surface.

Just finished having my place painted ('50s weatherboard) with Sonyx 101 - looks great. Last paint job 7 years ago with Lumbersider and painter uses Sonxy 9/10 times on exteriors for the extra protection/longevity.

Stay away from PPG paint...

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#3007594 9-Dec-2022 08:11

I'd be going with option 2 roller and cut in with brush.

IME once you get your brush game on, it's faster than the PAL 'speed' system.

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#3008424 11-Dec-2022 13:01

Thanks guys for all your advice.

I will be going with Resene Sonyx 101 semi gloss and a #2 roller and cutting in with a brush.

I'll mask the door and windows out with integrated masking tape & film. I wish we had this system when I was in the Airforce.

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