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#306676 12-Aug-2023 14:44
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In my bathroom there are two switches for one light so you can turn the light on/off from either switch. One failed and so I had to replace it. But before doing so I took a picture and noted that all wires are red with the green and black enclosed in a red sheath.

 

 

 

 

I thought it might be a special switch so off to Bunnings to ask. Nobody knew so I went to Mitre10 and they are equally clueless but having made the trip out, bought a single throw switch. I noted the original switch had connections marked (1), common and (2) all connected (common is the actual red wire in the photo above) with loop not connected. So in the new switch I wired it the same way, with all wires as before and the red wire wired to Common. To my relief but I am not entirely sure how it works.

 

 

 

I looks the original sparky fed two live wires down to the outlet but I can't work out how it works apart from that. Anybody with ideas on how this works?


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  #3115003 12-Aug-2023 15:11
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It's probably this:

 




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  #3115015 12-Aug-2023 16:00
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Just your standard 2 way lighting circuit, not meant to sleeve the green.


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  #3115028 12-Aug-2023 17:03
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Aaron2222:

 

It's probably this:

 

 

 

Actually it is this: and you are looking at SW2. (ignore the lamp value I forgot to delete it)

 





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  #3115042 12-Aug-2023 17:39
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correct me if i'm wrong but i didn't think your allowed to use the green for power, even with marking it red.


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  #3115048 12-Aug-2023 17:55
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tweake:

 

correct me if i'm wrong but i didn't think your allowed to use the green for power, even with marking it red.

 

 

You are correct, it may have been different in the past however. You get to see this all over the place in bathrooms with those light / heatlamp / fan devices.

 

John

 

 





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  #3115113 12-Aug-2023 19:05
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mdooher:

 

Aaron2222:

 

It's probably this:

 

 

 

Actually it is this: and you are looking at SW2. (ignore the lamp value I forgot to delete it)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks. That makes sense. And it done over 20 years ago which might explain the potential code violation w.r.t. today's regs


 
 
 

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  #3115215 13-Aug-2023 08:36
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tweake:

 

correct me if i'm wrong but i didn't think your allowed to use the green for power, even with marking it red.

 

 

 

 

Current standards say no to sleeving the green another colour, past standards have allowed it, the current rules are not retrospective which means things that were ok then do not have to be brought up to the current standard.

 

 


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  #3115217 13-Aug-2023 08:53
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gregmcc:

 

tweake:

 

correct me if i'm wrong but i didn't think your allowed to use the green for power, even with marking it red.

 

 

 

 

Current standards say no to sleeving the green another colour, past standards have allowed it, the current rules are not retrospective which means things that were ok then do not have to be brought up to the current standard.

 

 

 

 

Does that mean you either have to find 3 core wire which has 2 or 3 red wires or run multiple 3 core wires in the conduit if you want a two-way switch?


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  #3115219 13-Aug-2023 09:06
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you use 3c red/white/blue

 

 


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  #3115302 13-Aug-2023 16:22
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SATTV:

 

tweake:

 

correct me if i'm wrong but i didn't think your allowed to use the green for power, even with marking it red.

 

 

You are correct, it may have been different in the past however. You get to see this all over the place in bathrooms with those light / heatlamp / fan devices.

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was not valid in the 1980's


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  #3115317 13-Aug-2023 17:19
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Pretty sure it was legal up until ASNZS3000 was adopted in 2003-ish. Certainly was very very very common practice - I've seen it in multiple installations of that era, and I don't think I've ever seen a red/yellow/blue without earth cable. I have seen one or two done with SDI or twin-core, which was and still is legal, but much less common than sleeving.


 
 
 
 

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  #3115319 13-Aug-2023 17:30
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sir1963:

It was not valid in the 1980's



Later than that

"there was a specific prohibition in "3000: 2000" against sleeving green conductors to indicate live conductors.
But that edition wasn't cited b y Regs until 2002 Amendment; so only applicable from 1/1/03."

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  #3115328 13-Aug-2023 17:45
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From NZ Regulations as Made, for the 1997 regs: 

 

 

 

71. Identification of conductors-( I) Conductors must be adequately
identified in works and electrical installations.
(2) Conductors are deemed to be adequately identified for the purposes
of subclause ( 1) if either or both of the following means of identification
are used:
(a) Colouring of the insulation or covering, or of the insulating sleeve
fitted on the dielectric or the conductor
, in accordance with
subclause (3):
(b) A system of numbering.
(3) Where low voltage conductors are identified by colouring,-
(a) The colour black (or in respect of flexible cords, the colour light blue),
may be used only for the neutral of an a.c. system, or for the
negative of a d.c. system; and
(b) The colour green, or the colours green and yellow in combination,
may be used only for earthing conductors.
(4) Compliance with ECP 28 is deemed to be compliance with this
regulation.

 

Similar provisions exist in 1993 and presumably earlier. I don't know where I would find a copy of NZECP 28.

 

 

 

 


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