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#319846 7-Jun-2025 08:50
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Is generating power from the wind practical in suburban New Zealand? Is there anything that's a practical size and price that generates a useful amount of power that's not going to bother neighbors, either one device or a small collection of them? Do councils and laws allow them to be put up?

 

My assumption is getting permission may be difficult, they're probably expensive, and to produce a useful amount of power they probably need to be quite large. I have seen some interesting and fairly compact designs on the internet over the past year, but I don't know if they're practical / available for residential.

 

We have solar, but it's not always available, in Wellington there's almost always wind.


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  #3381525 7-Jun-2025 08:59
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I can't answer your question, but there has been one at the southern end of the Tawa straights for at least ten years, near the electric sign before the Grenada/Tawa off ramp.

 

Looks like it appeared between April 2008 and October 2009.

 

 

 

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  #3381526 7-Jun-2025 09:10
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Be interesting what the cost and generation would be , compared to a battery. Hopefully the government looks at subsidies like the Australia government the battery rebates are incredible there 


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  #3381528 7-Jun-2025 09:18
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rscole86:

 

I can't answer your question, but there has been one at the southern end of the Tawa straights for at least ten years, near the electric sign before the Grenada/Tawa off ramp.

 

 

Is that the one that's semi rural? I guess much simpler there due to fewer neighbors.




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  #3381531 7-Jun-2025 09:28
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"in Wellington there's almost always wind." Almost means you'd still need a battery.

 

I remember someone from Vic Uni had a collection of vertical axis turbines in his front garden on the coast near Seatoun/Worser Bay but I think he died and they probably got cleared away.


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  #3381534 7-Jun-2025 10:08
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We use the grid as a battery, given our feed in rate is only 10% less than our power price. But if that changes a battery would be useful.


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  #3381535 7-Jun-2025 10:14
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timmmay:

 

rscole86:

 

I can't answer your question, but there has been one at the southern end of the Tawa straights for at least ten years, near the electric sign before the Grenada/Tawa off ramp.

 

 

Is that the one that's semi rural? I guess much simpler there due to fewer neighbors.

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure it's zoned residential, though probably not the same density and no doubt the height of it from the boundary would make a difference between zones and lot sizes. 


 
 
 
 

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  #3381539 7-Jun-2025 10:24
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I remembered this article from a few years ago. Looked like a bit of work to get up and running and some unhappy neighbours.

 

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/130152399/wind-turbine-divides-neighbours-in-invercargill

 

 


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  #3381540 7-Jun-2025 10:28
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Interesting. One of our neighbors is almost deaf and the other is a rental, we'd probably be ok. I wonder if that guy went ahead and how it works. I might try to contact him and ask. 


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  #3381543 7-Jun-2025 10:56
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I looked at this a number of years ago, so has likely changed. I think for the cost and effort and ongoing maintenance and the vagaries of the wind (bear in mind there is a window, it needs to be strong to be useful but not too strong to damage the turbine), that investing in battery storage your solar is the far better option.


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  #3381544 7-Jun-2025 10:58
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I thought the vertical ones were less prone to noise pollution.  And we’re not affected by gusts as much. 





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  #3381545 7-Jun-2025 11:01
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For us battery storage for solar is not economic, the payback time is huge. We pay 21c/kwh for power and sell at 19.5c/kwh, approx. There's only a 10% margin there. We should generate around 11,000kwh per year with our solar panels, let's say we use half and export half, that's 5500kwh exported which is probably high. At a margin of 1.5c between our buy and sell rate per kwh we save $82 a year by having a battery. Given batteries probably cost many thousands, the payback period will be longer than the battery lifetime, if I've done my sums correctly, but there's a good chance I've made a mistake 😉 The main value to a battery IMHO is if your feed in rate is much lower than ours, or if you want to have power during outages.


 
 
 
 

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  #3381547 7-Jun-2025 11:02
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davidcole:

 

I thought the vertical ones were less prone to noise pollution.  And we’re not affected by gusts as much. 

 

 

I was wondering about that sort of design, maybe having a half dozen of those more compact ones. I suspect the cost of the turbines and install and permits and such make them uneconomic unless there was a high volume being installed.


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  #3381548 7-Jun-2025 11:11
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timmmay:

 

davidcole:

 

I thought the vertical ones were less prone to noise pollution.  And we’re not affected by gusts as much. 

 

 

I was wondering about that sort of design, maybe having a half dozen of those more compact ones. I suspect the cost of the turbines and install and permits and such make them uneconomic unless there was a high volume being installed.

 

 

 

 

but if it’s just to supplement your existing solar does it need to me that much?  





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  #3381550 7-Jun-2025 11:22
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This is mostly because I'm curious, I suspect given it's almost never done it's impractical and expensive.

 

At a national scale, if there were enough quiet wind turbines around maybe it could reduce the need for additional power stations. Solar is great for reducing power bills, but without storage like batteries or pumped hydro it's not going to reduce generation capacity required. Even with batteries or pumped hydro you still the central generation to be capable of powering the whole country, I wonder if wind could reduce that at all.


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  #3381555 7-Jun-2025 12:01
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there is a few around here in rural area.

 

one is hated because of the noise (its large) and its expensive to maintain. another one i know of they got rid of and ran off the solar only (off grid house).

 

i know there was a nz company designing small satellite dish size ones, but they went bust afaik. i've seen plenty of tech video's of different designs. but the common problems are noise, maintenance, control in excessive wind and how to mount them to a house. solar is just easier in all respects.


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