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#321456 18-Aug-2025 10:06
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My previous set of HPM LED downlights have been failing over the last year or so - and so I've purchased new ones to replace them. In order to match with ones installed by the sparky in a new extension, I purchased the same type. These new ones have simple 'push-insert' points on the transformer for single core wires - and they work really well - for a single core wire :-)

 

But the problem comes from running parallel lines off to the next light. With the previous transformers with nice big screw in terminals - it was relatively easy to twist the strands together and screw in. Now the single core inserts don't appear very friendly to this approach.

 

Is the only solution to create a junction box with BP connectors - to run parallel lines off to each transformer? Could I have BP connecters by the transformer loose or do they always need to be in a junction box? Is there another compliant technique I am missing?

 

I guess I really should have just done surface mount sockets for each light and just gone with plug-in leads right? :-)


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  #3405314 18-Aug-2025 12:45
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they need to be a junction box, the requirement is to have 2 layers of insulation over conductors, to put the connector on a wire you need to remove both layers of insulation, the BP will cover the conductor and provide 1 layer of insulation, the Junction box will provide the 2nd layer




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  #3405317 18-Aug-2025 12:54
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swap out the transformers for ones with either larger screw terminals or with space to push in two seperate cables (ie 4 terminals)





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  #3405359 18-Aug-2025 14:02
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mdooher:

 

swap out the transformers for ones with either larger screw terminals or with space to push in two seperate cables (ie 4 terminals)

 

 

The problem is that they are not transformers, they are LED drivers and the specifics makes swapping them out not that simple. More so if they are CCT selectable ones which will seriously drop the available choices.





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  #3405380 18-Aug-2025 14:28
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You need a junction box for the main feed line with a tee off to the LED driver.


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  #3405427 18-Aug-2025 19:15
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gregmcc:

 

they need to be a junction box, the requirement is to have 2 layers of insulation over conductors, to put the connector on a wire you need to remove both layers of insulation, the BP will cover the conductor and provide 1 layer of insulation, the Junction box will provide the 2nd layer

 

 

Thanks for your help - I had bought a couple of these to use

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/deta-junction-box_p0310361

 

 

 

But then I saw these - interestingly, it would appear that these don't meet the 2 layers of insulation requirement?

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/deta-junction-box-small_p0310473


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  #3405523 19-Aug-2025 10:08
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richms:

 

mdooher:

 

swap out the transformers for ones with either larger screw terminals or with space to push in two seperate cables (ie 4 terminals)

 

 

The problem is that they are not transformers, they are LED drivers and the specifics makes swapping them out not that simple. More so if they are CCT selectable ones which will seriously drop the available choices.

 

 

Sorry I meant drivers, but if they are fairly standard HPM, halcyon, Ambius etc then swapping out out the drivers is trivial the colour temp is chosen on the luminaire. Certainly better than putting in junction boxes everywhere.

 

This is a good reason to let your sparky help when choosing your fittings





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  #3405563 19-Aug-2025 12:36
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rh2600:

 

gregmcc:

 

they need to be a junction box, the requirement is to have 2 layers of insulation over conductors, to put the connector on a wire you need to remove both layers of insulation, the BP will cover the conductor and provide 1 layer of insulation, the Junction box will provide the 2nd layer

 

 

Thanks for your help - I had bought a couple of these to use

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/deta-junction-box_p0310361

 

 

 

But then I saw these - interestingly, it would appear that these don't meet the 2 layers of insulation requirement?

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/deta-junction-box-small_p0310473

 

 

 

 

There is a reason why most electricians won't buy Deta stuff as it's rubbish and, in some cases, does not meet standards requirements. 

 

 


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  #3405587 19-Aug-2025 13:25
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gregmcc:

 

There is a reason why most electricians won't buy Deta stuff as it's rubbish and, in some cases, does not meet standards requirements. 

 

 

If Bunnings/Deta are fraudulently claiming approval it shouldn't be too hard to get MBIE to do something or is this hearsay?


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  #3405597 19-Aug-2025 14:39
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Bung:

 

 

 

If Bunnings/Deta are fraudulently claiming approval it shouldn't be too hard to get MBIE to do something or is this hearsay?

 

 

The deta stuff is great quality compared to many of the other crud tier junk that cost targeting sparkies will put in when doing their landlord special fixups. I dont see detas where the front is falling off them leaving switch contacts exposed like the off brand things that a friend had in the place they were renting. 





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  #3405608 19-Aug-2025 15:16
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Bung:

 

gregmcc:

 

There is a reason why most electricians won't buy Deta stuff as it's rubbish and, in some cases, does not meet standards requirements. 

 

 

If Bunnings/Deta are fraudulently claiming approval it shouldn't be too hard to get MBIE to do something or is this hearsay?

 

 

MBIE are not very proactive on things like this, they can't even get their act together to cite the latest standard (ASNZS3000:2018) leaving NZ stuck with ASNZS3000:2007. Only way to motivate them when things actually go wrong and cause fires - the Seriene bathroom heaters that have been burning down houses is a good example........

 

 


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