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Master Geek

#884271 25-Aug-2013 18:36

NonprayingMantis:
Benoire: @Starblazer

We should most definitely be comparing to Sky HD though as that was the former maximum quality that was available for not much more than what you pay for a month with PLP.

Anyway for what it's worth I haven't signed up and refuse to until they sort out the judder in the stream, release more applications or ways to watch (I refuse to watch on a browser, or a phone/tablet - why should I have to change my viewing habits to meet a newer inferior method?) and make the bitrate higher.

PLP have done nothing wrong and have delivered what they said they would (bar the apps and the stutter) so no one could complain about false advertising.

Both Sky and Coliseum have been crap in my opinion; Sky simply didn't bid enough and perhaps undervalued the EPL market and Coliseum released an inferior product without its major benefits (apps) with a shoddy stream.

Anyway I look forward to the improvements Coliseum can bring (assuming that NeuLion are interested) including more ways to connect and watch the stream along with greater bitrates.

Not much more than sky? Where do you get that maths from?

Even if we assume you have sky basic anyway, the sky sports is still around 30 bucks per month, a mysky hdmi is 15 and HD ticket is 10. So on top of sky basic you need to be spending 55 bucks a month to access sport in HD.
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By contrast, assuming you already have broadband, then plp is only 150 for the entire season of around 9 months, so around 18 per month. That is a whole lot less than 55.

Well it depends on how you look at it. That $55 a month is for 'sport' not just premier league. If Benoire watched, for example, Premier League, Champions League, A League, Rugby and Cricket then it was costing him about $10 a month per sport, which is considerably less than plp.

Benoire

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#884273 25-Aug-2013 18:38

Nonprayingmantis you have to aggregate the cost of mysky and hd across the entire range, not just lump it in to the sport package!

There are 8 HD channels outside of that standard freeview HD ones, that makes each channel worth $0.80. Mysky should then also be split across all the channels or aswell; About 120 channels so mysky HDI is $15/120 = $0.125 per channel. Therefor HD Sky Sport costs $26.45 + (4 x $0.80) + (8*$0.125) = $30.65

Now the Sky feed used to have condensed replays of all the games, a premier league review show and the matches. To get this on the PLP service you have to buy the platinum package at $20 a month effectively.

So yes, PLP is cheaper by $10 a month but for that extra $10 you get a full HD service, champions league plus many other sports.

Nicko19

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#884274 25-Aug-2013 18:41

NonprayingMantis

The only problem with that is most of us still want sky for other sports. I am English man city fan just arrived in nz and need sky for champs league (which is the top euro football product, way above epl, la liga etc) as well as ashes cricket, golf, darts, cycling, rugby, athletics etc etc.

All PLP has done is created a fragmented market where the core consumer is forced to pay twice. On top of that they are offering a poor quality, unfriendly, amateurish product.

I would prefer sky had the monopoly.

They are able to pick up most sport cheaply and the range they have is pretty decent compared with what they have in UK.

NonprayingMantis

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#884275 25-Aug-2013 18:43

Benoire: Nonprayingmantis you have to aggregate the cost of mysky and hd across the entire range, not just lump it in to the sport package!

There are 8 HD channels outside of that standard freeview HD ones, that makes each channel worth $0.80. Mysky should then also be split across all the channels or aswell; About 120 channels so mysky HDI is $15/120 = $0.125 per channel. Therefor HD Sky Sport costs $26.45 + (4 x $0.80) + (8*$0.125) = $30.65

Now the Sky feed used to have condensed replays of all the games, a premier league review show and the matches. To get this on the PLP service you have to buy the platinum package at $20 a month effectively.

So yes, PLP is cheaper by $10 a month but for that extra $10 you get a full HD service, champions league plus many other sports.

Well if you are going to aggregate everything in that fashion, then you should also account for the fact that with plp you get access to every single premiership game, which you have never ever gotten with sky.

So in fact the price of buying the epl on sky before plp showed up was infinity dollars per month, because no amount of money was big enough to by it.

Benoire

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#884280 25-Aug-2013 18:59

Having access to all teams is irrelevant as to me as I only want to watch one team, the reviews and maybe some replays so the comparison is very valid. If you try and aggregate ALL the actual content then PLP loses big time on value compared to sky sports.

NonprayingMantis

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#884292 25-Aug-2013 19:47

Benoire: Having access to all teams is irrelevant as to me as I only want to watch one team, the reviews and maybe some replays so the comparison is very valid. If you try and aggregate ALL the actual content then PLP loses big time on value compared to sky sports.

Well of course it does, it's a shed load cheaper. What do you expect.

invisibleman18

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#884293 25-Aug-2013 19:48

Watched the Arsenal game on TV One today for the proper commentators and recorded Arsenal TV to watch the extra bits afterwards (we at least got Wenger's pre-match press conference and some interviews after last week's game - shame we don't get post-match interviews until probably the next game).

Ads in the middle of both halves as expected, but they cut out the 3 or 4 minutes during those breaks and didn't return at the same point which was pretty bad. Luckily nothing major seemed to be missed.

Interesting to note that aswell as no Arsenal TV screening of the CL qualifier the other day (which was on ESPN anyway) there was also no Spurs TV screening of their Europa game which was not shown on ESPN (apparently the 2nd leg will be). What happened to games from every competition being shown?

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Benoire

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#884301 25-Aug-2013 20:07

NonprayingMantis:
Benoire: Having access to all teams is irrelevant as to me as I only want to watch one team, the reviews and maybe some replays so the comparison is very valid. If you try and aggregate ALL the actual content then PLP loses big time on value compared to sky sports.

Well of course it does, it's a shed load cheaper. What do you expect.

Sooo what then was the point of your statement earlier? I could watch a large number of the teams in HD with 5.1 sound, anytime I wanted for $10 more than PLP but have the advantage of many other sports at the same time.

NonprayingMantis

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#884317 25-Aug-2013 20:21

Benoire:
NonprayingMantis:
Benoire: Having access to all teams is irrelevant as to me as I only want to watch one team, the reviews and maybe some replays so the comparison is very valid. If you try and aggregate ALL the actual content then PLP loses big time on value compared to sky sports.

Well of course it does, it's a shed load cheaper. What do you expect.

Sooo what then was the point of your statement earlier? I could watch a large number of the teams in HD with 5.1 sound, anytime I wanted for $10 more than PLP but have the advantage of many other sports at the same time.

What's with the '$10 more' thing. Getting sky sports with HD is massively more expensive than plp. End of story.

Yes you get more stuff on sky sports, and nobody said you didn't, but claiming it is only slightly more expensive is simply wrong.

vkjc

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#884322 25-Aug-2013 20:32

no one has included the cost of the data you use.

if you use 3gb a game on the 3000 bit rate option and you have a 30gb a month
plan at 70 bucks then each game is 7.90.

4 games a month and thats 31.60.

my sky sub for sports is 26 a month.

I must admit of course that my bill is higher because I have to subscribe
to the other services but I use them so its worth it for me

I also get to watch the league the cricket the formula one ......

NonprayingMantis

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#884323 25-Aug-2013 20:38

vkjc: no one has included the cost of the data you use.

if you use 3gb a game on the 3000 bit rate option and you have a 30gb a month
plan at 70 bucks then each game is 7.90.

4 games a month and thats 31.60.

my sky sub for sports is 26 a month.

I must admit of course that my bill is higher because I have to subscribe
to the other services but I use them so its worth it for me

I also get to watch the league the cricket the formula one ......

And if you are on an unlimited plan you don't pay anything.... And in either case plp doesn't charge you for that either'.

(And if you are going to include the broadband plan in the cost, then you should also include the cost of sky basic, which is aboud 50 bucks I think)

StarBlazer

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#884327 25-Aug-2013 20:53

Okay so lets summarise the issues.

Quality. Varies from very good to very poor. As we are all getting the content from the same place there must be something else reducing the quality on the way. Is there a pattern of which ISP or area? Please report.

Judder. We are all experiencing this regardless of quality? However I did not see it on my Galaxy S2.

Value for money. If all you want is EPL I think it's good especially if you are following one of the lower teams. If you follow lots of sports then no, it's not good for you. This is not PLPs fault but Sky for becoming complacent in their ownership so the EPL rights and the poor choice they offered customers.

Platform. Poor start in respect to choice but that will be getting better. People are getting used to on demand from an app on a device which may or may not be connected to the TV. It's not a perfect service and doesn't cover everyone, but based on cost, neither did Sky - it was outside my budget.

Future. If this succeeds then maybe next time they will have Euro and FA Cup. Perhaps their next sport will be rugby!

My thoughts anyway.

The question is where do we go from here? Which of he above are you show stoppers. I still hope PLP are watching this thread.

Procrastination eventually pays off.

vkjc

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Geek

#884329 25-Aug-2013 21:09

I did say that there were extra costs associated with sky.

mantis you are implying that there are no other costs associated with the plp.
I disagree.

not everyone has unlimited broadband. I dont and now have to monitor my data usage.
if I want unlimited I would have to pay at least 30 a month more.

my data usage was not an issue with sky and now it is.

Benoire

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#884331 25-Aug-2013 21:11

NonprayingMantis:
Benoire:
NonprayingMantis:
Benoire: Having access to all teams is irrelevant as to me as I only want to watch one team, the reviews and maybe some replays so the comparison is very valid. If you try and aggregate ALL the actual content then PLP loses big time on value compared to sky sports.

Well of course it does, it's a shed load cheaper. What do you expect.

Sooo what then was the point of your statement earlier? I could watch a large number of the teams in HD with 5.1 sound, anytime I wanted for $10 more than PLP but have the advantage of many other sports at the same time.

What's with the '$10 more' thing. Getting sky sports with HD is massively more expensive than plp. End of story.

Yes you get more stuff on sky sports, and nobody said you didn't, but claiming it is only slightly more expensive is simply wrong.

Not if you have a family that watch other programs its not. I ignore the cost of Sky basic as I would have that despite what the sports are doing as my family use the kids shows, documentaries, music channels etc. The cost of Sky sports is simply an addon to that package. In this case, sky sports IS only $10 more than PLP.

I guess the next useful pol if you could do them would be to see how many people in this thread have Sky basic as I do appreciate that if you can't afford Sky Basic or don't want it then PLP is a useful option.

BTW I'm not arguing for the sake of it, I do generally feel quite disappointed with what has happened. Affording PLP is not an issue (by the fact that I actually have a sub to Al Jazeera instead) more that they changed the way we consume EPL content in NZ for the worse for probably a large number of existing consumers and made it more expensive for me personally.

NonprayingMantis

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#884333 25-Aug-2013 21:15

Benoire:
NonprayingMantis:
Benoire:
NonprayingMantis:
Benoire: Having access to all teams is irrelevant as to me as I only want to watch one team, the reviews and maybe some replays so the comparison is very valid. If you try and aggregate ALL the actual content then PLP loses big time on value compared to sky sports.

Well of course it does, it's a shed load cheaper. What do you expect.

Sooo what then was the point of your statement earlier? I could watch a large number of the teams in HD with 5.1 sound, anytime I wanted for $10 more than PLP but have the advantage of many other sports at the same time.

What's with the '$10 more' thing. Getting sky sports with HD is massively more expensive than plp. End of story.

Yes you get more stuff on sky sports, and nobody said you didn't, but claiming it is only slightly more expensive is simply wrong.

Not if you have a family that watch other programs its not. I ignore the cost of Sky basic as I would have that despite what the sports are doing as my family use the kids shows, documentaries, music channels etc. The cost of Sky sports is simply an addon to that package. In this case, sky sports IS only $10 more than PLP.

I guess the next useful pol if you could do them would be to see how many people in this thread have Sky basic as I do appreciate that if you can't afford Sky Basic or don't want it then PLP is a useful option.

BTW I'm not arguing for the sake of it, I do generally feel quite disappointed with what has happened. Affording PLP is not an issue (by the fact that I actually have a sub to Al Jazeera instead) more that they changed the way we consume EPL content in NZ for the worse for probably a large number of existing consumers and made it more expensive for me personally.

I also ignored sky basic too.

Sky sports is 26, but you said you wanted hd, so to get that you need a mysky and an HD ticket, which comes to another 25, so it's just over 50 bucks per month to get that, all this excluding sky basic.

Plp is about 15 per month.

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