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#2283024 24-Jul-2019 19:09

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And yet there is a need by the two biggest telcos to launch a paid help visit. Ironic that its the same price regardless of whether you're a Spark customer and served internally - or a non-Spark customer and served by a 3rd party. If there wasnt a need why would the non-Spark telco be actively promoting the service? Perhaps the CSR's amongst the telcos can shed some anecdotal evidence. Perhaps the app reviews shed some light on how spotty the end result it?

And plenty of people (even on this site) asking what CPE they need and debating the cost of an AppleTV vs CC esp if their TV is not supported. Clearly those [techy minded] people havent discovered streaming yet - so what proportion of the genpop?

If the Spark help was cheaper that's anti competitive. May be seen as weighing down the scales

Its known that streaming is widespread, but its not 100% spread. RWC happens now to be streamed. So there will be those that need help. In the last there were those that had to go to pub to see it. In the future you will likely find that other sports or events are streamed. If nothing else, this is giving those that are not tech, a kick start. Is that so bad?

No, not bad at all. Just adding to the cost of those that want to watch a 6 week tournament. My initial comment was that its not so cheap anymore. Certainly not as cheap for some as Spark were claiming.

For sure. $80 or whatever it is or was, plus this. If you looked at having to get Sky for 6 months in the past, then yes, its not a lot cheaper. Its hassle. But SVOD is the way its going, and if those newbies get introduced to NF, LB, and so on, that's a bonus.

When I look back at what I paid for a 28k modem, 56k modem etc, etc, its cheap!!

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#2283052 24-Jul-2019 20:13

Help or no help, those poor rural people with a satellite dish each but have no other choice than sharing a conklin would be wishing Sky had got the rights. Some places don't have good 3g/4g coverage and some places don't have good wired internet. Even if they had wired internet they'd probably be on the wrong data plan for streaming.

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#2283157 25-Jul-2019 07:24

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Help or no help, those poor rural people with a satellite dish each but have no other choice than sharing a conklin would be wishing Sky had got the rights. Some places don't have good 3g/4g coverage and some places don't have good wired internet. Even if they had wired internet they'd probably be on the wrong data plan for streaming.

6 of 1, half a dozen of the other. Sky had about one half of the TV screens, a bit less now. Thats over half the population with no access. Yes they can choose access but most cannot afford it for a minimum 6 months, otherwise they would already have it. At 1/6 the cost now, there is no affordability issue, and I'd suggest, more have access

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#2283236 25-Jul-2019 08:59

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Help or no help, those poor rural people with a satellite dish each but have no other choice than sharing a conklin would be wishing Sky had got the rights. Some places don't have good 3g/4g coverage and some places don't have good wired internet. Even if they had wired internet they'd probably be on the wrong data plan for streaming.

I agree. You describe a really unfortunate situation a small amount of the population is in. There is a few wider things to consider though.

Chorus are replacing the conklins. I expect Rcg should have fair amount of towers up by RWC.

Many of these rural areas have local wireless providers..
Lastly there are options such as @gravityinternet

The other thing to remember is things like watching rugby is often a sociable thing to do. So it's quite likely those who don't have the option at home will be turning up at a mates place for a good night...

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#2283242 25-Jul-2019 09:06

hio77:
Batman:

Help or no help, those poor rural people with a satellite dish each but have no other choice than sharing a conklin would be wishing Sky had got the rights. Some places don't have good 3g/4g coverage and some places don't have good wired internet. Even if they had wired internet they'd probably be on the wrong data plan for streaming.

I agree. You describe a really unfortunate situation a small amount of the population is in. There is a few wider things to consider though.

Chorus are replacing the conklins. I expect Rcg should have fair amount of towers up by RWC.

Many of these rural areas have local wireless providers..
Lastly there are options such as @gravityinternet

The other thing to remember is things like watching rugby is often a sociable thing to do. So it's quite likely those who don't have the option at home will be turning up at a mates place for a good night...

Exactly. It was fine when half the populous didn't have Sky

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#2283299 25-Jul-2019 10:51

Installing Sky is a choice.

Having decent Internet might not be, depending on your exact location.

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#2283307 25-Jul-2019 11:04

Batman: Installing Sky is a choice.

Having decent Internet might not be, depending on your exact location.

Its a choice 900,000 choose not to. How much of that is unable to afford it? In which case its not a choice. I know someone on ADSL, rural. Not great, i tyink it was 8 or 9 mbit. They only stream, have done for years

But in all the years I've read here, that Sky sucks , linear TV is ancient, streaming is where its at, and now thats all wrong?

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#2283308 25-Jul-2019 11:08

The app on my Panasonic OLED tv works fine and happy to report there are no issues that I've noticed. Quietly stoked with this but SWMBO didn't see what the fuss was about 😂

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#2283316 25-Jul-2019 11:31

I think it's a shame for such a major event as the RWC that 750,000 SKY subscribers, paying monthly to see the sports channels, are deprived of seeing this event and have to gear up to internet TV. Sure some of the key games are going to be on Prime, but the best format IMHO is SKY which 750,000 people have got used to over the years.

Sure, a lot of people might not have to buy new gear, but now that SKY is being outbid for some major sports events, you have to ask whether this trend is going to continue and whether SKY should even bother staying in business.

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#2283325 25-Jul-2019 11:41

frednz: I think it's a shame for such a major event as the RWC that 750,000 SKY subscribers, paying monthly to see the sports channels, are deprived of seeing this event and have to gear up to internet TV. Sure some of the key games are going to be on Prime, but the best format IMHO is SKY which 750,000 people have got used to over the years.

Sure, a lot of people might not have to buy new gear, but now that SKY is being outbid for some major sports events, you have to ask whether this trend is going to continue and whether SKY should even bother staying in business.

What about the 900,000 that cannot afford Sky? The ones that can will stump up 6 X $100

Some streamers will need to stump up for a device. Chromecast are cheap (not the ideal though IMHO)

If Freeview Terrestrial bought the rights then some will have to stump up for external aerials they had no need for as obviously we just stream TV

I hear what you are saying but there is no solution to get everyone conveniently. When Sky had the rights were there similar discussions each 4 years?

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#2283328 25-Jul-2019 11:48

frednz: but now that SKY is being outbid for some major sports events, you have to ask whether this trend is going to continue and whether SKY should even bother staying in business.

The word is that probably more will be paid for rights with the competition. I think Sky said that, unsure if Spark as well. Sky have every intention of staying in business. People here used to bag Sky continually for their monopoly (which is incorrect), there were hardly anyone here defending them, I was one, still are. Now, we want to get Sky with a monopoly?

Its come full circle it seems

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#2283342 25-Jul-2019 12:18

tdgeek:
frednz: but now that SKY is being outbid for some major sports events, you have to ask whether this trend is going to continue and whether SKY should even bother staying in business.

The word is that probably more will be paid for rights with the competition. I think Sky said that, unsure if Spark as well. Sky have every intention of staying in business. People here used to bag Sky continually for their monopoly (which is incorrect), there were hardly anyone here defending them, I was one, still are. Now, we want to get Sky with a monopoly?

Its come full circle it seems

I’m not sure if it is full circle. I think the "we" is a different group of people. I don’t want things to go back the way they were.

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#2283383 25-Jul-2019 12:24

frednz: I think it's a shame for such a major event as the RWC that 750,000 SKY subscribers, paying monthly to see the sports channels, are deprived of seeing this event and have to gear up to internet TV.

Sure some of the key games are going to be on Prime, but the best format IMHO is SKY which 750,000 people have got used to over the years.

Not Prime, Prime == Sky. TVNZ are Spark's partner in this.

All the AB's games will be on TV1 and/or Duke, their pool games will be delayed coverage.
The Quarters, Semis and Final will all be on TV1 / Duke live, not sure about the 3rd/4th playoff - may depend on whether the ABs [shock horror] are in it

Some of the AB's games will be at fairly antisocial times in NZ, ABs vs. Springboks kickoff is 23:45 Saturday 21st September, ABs vs. Canada 00:15 Thursday 3rd October, so I probably wouldn't watch those live even if I subscribed to Spark Sport's RWC coverage. I will watch these middle of the night delayed-coverage games the next morning, having recorded them on MySky (LOL).
Anyone with Sky or with a PVR can do the same.

The pool games broadcast at a "civilised hour" in NZ - Namibia & Italy at 16:45 on 6th & 12th October, will still be quite OK even delayed - a 17:45 or 18:45 kickoff is very nice.

In my not-at-all humble opinion, the TV1 / Duke coverage is good enough to not buy Spark's streamed package.
Whether this is or is not a mistake on Spark's part is an interesting question.

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#2283387 25-Jul-2019 12:33

rugrat:

I’m not sure if it is full circle. I think the "we" is a different group of people. I don’t want things to go back the way they were.

I thought the issues were issues for Kiwis. Some wont have good enough internet. Some who are not up to speed with streaming will need to be and that might involve a cost. That's what I thought the issues were. But for some its about the plight of existing Sky subscribers?

As regards competition, it's everywhere. Its arrived at sport now, the same fragmentation we have for TV

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#2283388 25-Jul-2019 12:35

PolicyGuy:

In my not-at-all humble opinion, the TV1 / Duke coverage is good enough to not buy Spark's streamed package.
Whether this is or is not a mistake on Spark's part is an interesting question.

I think thats always been the case when Sky had it? There was always an AB focused FTA option. For the hardcore fans, that's not quite enough which is fair enough

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