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#880553 18-Aug-2013 13:57

Don't know whether every week will work like this, but the United game on Sky had half an hour of content before kickoff at 1:30 and Arsenal's had an hour and is just kicking off now

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#880558 18-Aug-2013 14:16

JarrodM: Don't know whether every week will work like this, but the United game on Sky had half an hour of content before kickoff at 1:30 and Arsenal's had an hour and is just kicking off now

I think this will be the same every week. I'll admit that a 11 hour delay is a long time to avoid a result (although I rarely watched live, more likely first thing when I get up in the morning so its really only a meaningful 6-7 hours delay), but watching the quality now, it is definitely HD and the panning and flight of the ball is smooth as silk.

I missed ManU vs Swansea on TV One, can someone confirm that was HD as well?

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#880562 18-Aug-2013 14:23

walt12:
JarrodM: Don't know whether every week will work like this, but the United game on Sky had half an hour of content before kickoff at 1:30 and Arsenal's had an hour and is just kicking off now

I think this will be the same every week. I'll admit that a 11 hour delay is a long time to avoid a result (although I rarely watched live, more likely first thing when I get up in the morning so its really only a meaningful 6-7 hours delay), but watching the quality now, it is definitely HD and the panning and flight of the ball is smooth as silk.

I missed ManU vs Swansea on TV One, can someone confirm that was HD as well?

yeah it looked like it was. Arsenal vs Fulham is the game on TV one next week.

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#880567 18-Aug-2013 14:52

Tv one might be ok quality but they have a long advert break in the middle of each half! This wouldn't happen in Rugby!

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#880571 18-Aug-2013 15:02

Ha too true, if it was rugby they'd have an ad break for every stop in play

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#880599 18-Aug-2013 16:26

Tried it this morning thanks to Tiger, and have to say it was just awful from my Point of view.. tried to watch the Sunderland game at 7:15 this morning, for at least 20 minutes I had the spinning circle while it loaded up, then it started and at best i got 15 seconds before 3-4 seconds of buffering. So 45 minutes after turning it on, i was struck on 4:37 of the game.. gave in and went in a big sulk.. :-(

(tried it in 4 screen mode, spinning circle as well.. 2 of the other 4 games played straight away tho)

the man utd, and arsenal games streamed fine with watchable tho not great quality so i'm pretty sure its not the internet connection thats at fault..

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#880612 18-Aug-2013 16:49

kindagot: Tv one might be ok quality but they have a long advert break in the middle of each half! This wouldn't happen in Rugby!

Ummm, have you ever watched the prime delayed coverage of the abs games???
They have multiple ad breaks throughout the half.

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#880618 18-Aug-2013 16:58

Actually I thought Tv1's coverage was pretty good. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing a game for free on TV like the good old days. Loved watching the AB's live last night too free online haha Sky's a waste of money. The quality of the Stream I watched for the Rugby was pretty damned good and easily better than the blocky service we just cancelled from our home. (Please note it was basic Sky package no addons but still expect something better than what looked like less than 360p).

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#880619 18-Aug-2013 16:59

@Benoire. Thanks for he comment. We agree it was not completely fluid but for us still very watchable. We have Sky HD and blu-ray so we are very familiar with HD quality.

What I've found interesting from the comments is the fluctuation of quality and the posting of one that his stream was only 240MB -JarrodM have you confirmed this? I've just checked my Internet usage and it is just short of 3GB which is significantly higher than the suggested 1.1GB from the FAQ! I watched less than 2 hours content, perhaps I should have done some maths too - may have to increase my data cap as that's 6GB a week!

Could some more people put their usage stats up, also how was your viewing experience? I wonder how close the correlation is. Those watching on AJ could you also post stats please?

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#880625 18-Aug-2013 17:23

StarBlazer:
What I've found interesting from the comments is the fluctuation of quality and the posting of one that his stream was only 240MB -JarrodM have you confirmed this? I've just checked my Internet usage and it is just short of 3GB which is significantly higher than the suggested 1.1GB from the FAQ! I watched less than 2 hours content, perhaps I should have done some maths too - may have to increase my data cap as that's 6GB a week!

My usage is at 1360mb for the day. watched the full united match live, I was manually switching between 1600 and 3000 kbps for that game(so I'd expect at least 1.1gb just for that game). watched about half of the liverpool game too. also today I've watched snippets of different games and some of the highlights. Also watched the Premier League World show at 1600kbps. It looks like the stuff I watched live (Liverpool and United games) hasn't counted towards my usage for some reason. will update with any changes. I'm with nzwireless.

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#880639 18-Aug-2013 17:35

I missed ManU vs Swansea on TV One, can someone confirm that was HD as well?

Sky MU/Swansea was upscaled SD. TV One version was HD and vastly superior. Sky Arsenal game was HD.

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#880655 18-Aug-2013 18:11

Right so I've just re-run the Man Utd game on my gaming PC (Intel Core i5 etc.), stutter is still there but at 1200p full screen it looks so poor :-( SD quality with all the blockyness that occurs when running a relatively low bitrate at a high resolution. Look at the blacks in the stadiums when panning around, you'll see what I mean.

I realise what PLP is doing by unbundling content from a content grouper (Sky in this case) and I applaud them for having a go but did they have to go back in terms of technology and viewing pleasure? It's 2013 for god sake, 'HD' has been around for a very long time, general internet caps are good and the speeds are there for higher bitrates. Why are we forced to suffer low quality viewing in this day and age? It only makes sense when I read that the costs for higher bitrates where huge, it kind of said to me that Coliseum could not make the business case stack up for offering higher bitrates in this market. I fully expect them to offer higher bitrates but I do not think it will be at the current price point otherwise they would have already!

I'll stop my whining now and apologise for the stuck record, but its very frustrating that the only 'legal' way of watching LIVE EPL in New Zealand is through poor quality streams (imho) and not very lounge/TV friendly ways.

Chris

Edit: I've taken a screenshot of the fullscreened game as it was in motion at 3Mbps just to show that I'm not talking complete crap :-) link is below.

http://sdrv.ms/12f34KJ

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#880663 18-Aug-2013 18:32

Benoire: Right so I've just re-run the Man Utd game on my gaming PC (Intel Core i5 etc.), stutter is still there but at 1200p full screen it looks so poor :-( SD quality with all the blockyness that occurs when running a relatively low bitrate at a high resolution. Look at the blacks in the stadiums when panning around, you'll see what I mean.

I realise what PLP is doing by unbundling content from a content grouper (Sky in this case) and I applaud them for having a go but did they have to go back in terms of technology and viewing pleasure? It's 2013 for god sake, 'HD' has been around for a very long time, general internet caps are good and the speeds are there for higher bitrates. Why are we forced to suffer low quality viewing in this day and age? It only makes sense when I read that the costs for higher bitrates where huge, it kind of said to me that Coliseum could not make the business case stack up for offering higher bitrates in this market. I fully expect them to offer higher bitrates but I do not think it will be at the current price point otherwise they would have already!

I'll stop my whining now and apologise for the stuck record, but its very frustrating that the only 'legal' way of watching LIVE EPL in New Zealand is through poor quality streams (imho) and not very lounge/TV friendly ways.

Chris

Edit: I've taken a screenshot of the fullscreened game as it was in motion at 3Mbps just to show that I'm not talking complete crap :-) link is below.

http://sdrv.ms/12f34KJ

If they offered an "HD ticket" and provided the stream at 6000kbps or more then I would be happy to pay the $150 yearly subscription + $150 HD ticket addon.... In fact I would probably pay more.

I cannot understand why this business model has not been offered? Loads of people are upset by the quality so why dont they just have an optional premium HD package that reflects the costs involved in providing the stream....

If that cost is $150 yearly subscription + $600 for the HD ticket then simply state that and make it an option.

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#880666 18-Aug-2013 18:37

@RichardGNZ

Would you take it though? If this is you only subscription then I suppose it's not so bad but for me, that might be close to $30 for one sport, the same price I pay for an entire sport suite... I for one would have difficulty in justifying that sort of price. Obviously this is all speculation, but it concerns me that if higher bitrates where viable why are they not offering them now?

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#880670 18-Aug-2013 18:41

Richardgnz

3 things about what you just wrote.

I imagine that cost of setting up 6000kps stream would be extremely high and they would not have a good idea of how many would pay extra for it.

Even if they did set up 6000kps stream they can't guarantee you would get that and thus if you paid extra for it and you didn't get it you would have a case for refunds etc.

And 3rd which kind of relates to this but if you liked say 4 sports and to get them in HD you had to buy a initial package plus a HD add on the cost is going to get very high very quick.

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