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#171342 14-Apr-2015 16:43
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I recently bought a mini-computer running Windows 8.1 to use for streaming. At first it seemed perfect, but I soon ran into problems. The computer is a Pipo X7 that I bought on AliExpress.

When I first tried it, streaming was smooth and quality was excellent. But we soon noticed that the streaming gradually became choppy after about 30 or 40 minutes. This problem seems to be getting progressively worse. Now it sometimes starts almost as soon as streaming begins.

After some initial slight choppiness, the video starts to briefly freeze about every second or so for just a frame or two. Then it continues smoothly until the next freeze. Gradually, over time, the freezes become progressively longer. Eventually the video turns into a series of stills, each one lasting for up to a minute or so. For most of this the audio seems fairly normal. Each time the video freezes it then jumps ahead far enough to stay in sync with the audio. As the stream continues to deteriorate, eventually the audio starts skipping as well, but this doesn’t happen until after nearly an hour or more. Often the audio skips backwards a second or two and repeats before carrying on, while the video remains frozen. Eventually the whole thing just comes to a halt.

I am new to Windows 8 so don’t know much about its inner workings. I have been running some tests to try to narrow this down. First I turned off all automatic updates. Then I tried different browsers but that didn’t help. I then installed a health monitor to check on the core temperatures (this is a quad-core processor) but if it is to be believed, the cores are all well under 20 degrees, even after a couple hours of streaming. I tried closing and reopening the browser and that does improve things, but not completely. Instead of freezing for long periods, the stream goes back to the initial choppy behaviour described above. To check my connection, I tried opening a second stream on my desktop. That worked perfectly at the same time the Pipo was struggling. There is plenty of bandwidth.

At this point I can only think this is some kind of memory issue. It almost seems like the memory is gradually becoming corrupted, and closing and immediately reopening the browser improves that at least somewhat. But I don’t really know. I am in over my head on this and would really appreciate some expert help. I’m not sure what to do next. I really don’t want to have to try to explain all this to the Chinese seller, or send the unit back to China. If there is any way to fix this here, or at least gain more insight into what is causing the problem, that would be a huge help. The Pipo has two gigs of RAM, by the way.

Any advice will be much appreciated.






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  #1283061 14-Apr-2015 16:54
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Hi,
I have a similar specced unit, but as a tablet - the HP Stream.

Two things to try:
1. use the metro or modern version of internet explorer.
2. If you can use a modern or metro app - Netflix, hulu, plex and several others have them.

This works for me - but using desktop ie is rough.



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  #1283067 14-Apr-2015 17:03
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I have the same problem too. win 10 -> win 8.1
Bring back windows 7!

But first you need to deduce, is it Wifi or is it Windows.

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  #1283087 14-Apr-2015 17:27
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joker97: I have the same problem too. win 10 -> win 8.1
Bring back windows 7!

But first you need to deduce, is it Wifi or is it Windows.


Not wi-fi, I'm using the Ethernet connection.





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  #1283090 14-Apr-2015 17:32
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sounds annoying.  does it happen with all video streaming (e.g. have you tried Netflix, Lightbox, Youtube,) or any particular culprits?

Tried different browsers?




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  #1283092 14-Apr-2015 17:34
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Rikkitic:
joker97: I have the same problem too. win 10 -> win 8.1
Bring back windows 7!

But first you need to deduce, is it Wifi or is it Windows.


Not wi-fi, I'm using the Ethernet connection.



maybe it's the Ethernet card? sorry not much help here. sick of computers doing weird things.

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  #1283093 14-Apr-2015 17:40
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try installing windows 7 "trial" version?

 
 
 

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  #1283094 14-Apr-2015 17:41
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hang on - you are streaming from the internet? you have only 2gb ram? i'd say that's your problem, something is bottlenecking the system. maybe it starts to defrag, or antivirus is scanning, or windows search is indexing, etc.

what does task manager say

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  #1283133 14-Apr-2015 18:37
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BigPipeNZ: sounds annoying.  does it happen with all video streaming (e.g. have you tried Netflix, Lightbox, Youtube,) or any particular culprits?

Tried different browsers?


I have tried different sites, also different browsers. No improvement.





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  #1283134 14-Apr-2015 18:38
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joker97: sick of computers doing weird things.


Tell me about it. I just want this bloody thing to work. 




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  #1283135 14-Apr-2015 18:40
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joker97: try installing windows 7 "trial" version?


I may at some point but some other threads I saw suggested that doesn't work due to lack of compatible drivers. I'm not that familiar with Windows 8.1 so am afraid to step too far too fast.





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  #1283136 14-Apr-2015 18:42
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joker97: hang on - you are streaming from the internet? you have only 2gb ram? i'd say that's your problem, something is bottlenecking the system. maybe it starts to defrag, or antivirus is scanning, or windows search is indexing, etc.

what does task manager say


Good suggestions. I wondered about that too but haven't delved into it yet. It is on my list of things to try. I guess I was hoping someone here who is older and wiser could help me along the way.





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  #1283144 14-Apr-2015 19:03
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just right click on the task bar and select task manager when you are doing your streaming. it should tell you where your bottle neck is.

if CPU is maxxed out even periodically it can cause your problems

if the RAM is over 50-70% it is a problem (which i'm guessing it WILL be given that you only have 2GB ram, but in conjuction with other bottlenecks we can tell the most likely issue)

if your disk activity is high etc

just post back what you see

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  #1283186 14-Apr-2015 19:52
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I have no personal experience with the Pipo

From a techradar review of the Pipo X7:

Performance:

"Don't expect to game seriously on the X7 though. The graphics performance is likely to be ridiculously low thanks to a combination of paltry video memory (32MB) and entry-level graphics (an Intel HD Graphics part clocked at 313MHz) ... The X7 hit 2.9 on Microsoft's Windows Hardware Experience Index with graphics revealed to be its major weakness."

Also, 2GB of RAM seems too little for a modern operating system. Increasing to it 4GB (as already suggested) may help.




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  #1283196 14-Apr-2015 20:10
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yes forgot to mention the GPU, but thought you'd exclude these first, then get (ie download for free) GPU-Z to tell you the GPU stress

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  #1283252 14-Apr-2015 21:07
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The ethernet on them is crap. I get better performance on wifi on my pipo, and being that its only single band that really says how bad the ethernet is.

I havent tried video streaming on it because its not really what I bought it for, but playback of my flac collection over wifi is much more stable than its ethernet.




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