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#2604588 16-Nov-2020 10:39

frankv:
Batman: Boris Johnson in isolation

But he's already had a pretty good dose of covid. Surely he should be immune?

The very good pfizer vaccine needs 2 shots. So I presume if you get it twice then you're more likely to be immune. For a yet unknown period but likely to be long term.

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#2604591 16-Nov-2020 10:43

Looks like South Australia could be in for a bit of bumpy ride,

After months of no local transmission, they have found a cluster of 17 likely linked to a worker at their equivalent of MIQ...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-16/seventeen-cases-adelaide-coronavirus-cluster-lyell-mcewin-/12886218

17 cases means a number of links, so they will likely have more cases, esp as it also involves elderly care and food workers...

It also demonstrates why the rules on COVID bubbles need to be well developed,

WA changed the quarantine settings Mid flight on travellers going from Adelaide to Perth reintroducing a 14 day requirement, after just reopening the border to SA travellers ...

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#2604595 16-Nov-2020 10:49

Eva888: Apart from Twitter it has been reported in NY Times, and BBC among many other leading news sources citing he has had two positive and two negative tests. It’s hardly something he would be bragging about or needs when his next important mission is in a few days.

NY Times and BBC and all the rest are using Musk's twitter post as a source.

Sure he's got it. He's also using twitter to ask for medical advice about PCR false positives etc. Genius move.

My point that his behaviour WRT not caring about workers at his factories was dumb and abhorrent. I have no idea if he likes Trump or not, I guess Trump likes him when he says things like this.

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#2604596 16-Nov-2020 10:49

We were on the Ruby Princess on the trip just before the big Covid issues broke on it. Our cabin steward was visibly very sick on the last three days of the trip and I told him to miss our cabin and finish early to get some rest as he looked so ill, but he still cleaned our cabin. On the last days of the trip my grand daughter and I both had sore throats and were mildly sick but not my husband and at the time it didn’t even register that we may have caught something from the steward.

We stayed a few more days in Sydney and then returned to NZ. I remember feeling concerned about the flight as news was starting to heat up re covid and the airport in Sydney had very few masked people so we didn’t either. I was sick for another week but not bedridden when we arrived home but again thought nothing of it until we heard the news weeks later of the ship’s quarantine. I then started to replay events. The ship was celebrating Chinese New Year and there were a lot of tourists from China on it doing the trip. We had about six couples across from our cabin who couldn’t speak English and we would just smile and wave so I then wondered if some may have come from Wuhan. All theories with no way of knowing.

I would like to get an antibody test out of curiosity but, with the chance of results that may not be correct there’s no point.

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#2604597 16-Nov-2020 10:50

A likely quarantine failure South Australia. A medi-hotel worker and two family members confirmed on Saturday after one of the family members, a woman in her 80s tested positive at a hospital emergency department. First local cases in SA in many months.

https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+internet/about+us/news+and+media/all+media+releases/covid-19+update+15+november.

Edit: Oh, wellygary already posted this (& more) while I was writing this!

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#2604602 16-Nov-2020 11:08

China reports finding coronavirus on NZ meat exports. Ardern says that at this point she has been advised it's Argentinean, not our beef.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123404510/reports-china-found-coronavirus-on-nz-meat-exports-pm-says-its-not-our-beef

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#2604607 16-Nov-2020 11:19

DS248:

A likely quarantine failure South Australia. A medi-hotel worker and two family members confirmed on Saturday after one of the family members, a woman in her 80s tested positive at a hospital emergency department. First local cases in SA in many months.

https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+internet/about+us/news+and+media/all+media+releases/covid-19+update+15+november.

Edit: Oh, wellygary already posted this (& more) while I was writing this!

:). I think such outbreaks will be ongoing,

But it appears SA are an outbreak/response cycle behind us, and had not required testing of staff ... This could blow up into a big cluster quite quickly.:(

"She said that while voluntary testing had been available for hotel staff for some time, as of Sunday the government was implementing mandatory seven-day testing requirements for all staff."

"That includes our nursing staff, our police, security, and also cleaning and concierge staff, so everybody that is working within that environment," Professor Spurrier said.

"But I really believe that this is the way we need to be going because it's obvious that this is the highest risk in Australia right now is this risk of importation in our quarantine hotels."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/mandatory-testing-for-hotel-quarantine-staff-after-positive-sa-case-20201115-p56esg.html

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#2604719 16-Nov-2020 13:30

wellygary:
Looks like South Australia could be in for a bit of bumpy ride,

After months of no local transmission, they have found a cluster of 17 likely linked to a worker at their equivalent of MIQ...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-16/seventeen-cases-adelaide-coronavirus-cluster-lyell-mcewin-/12886218

17 cases means a number of links, so they will likely have more cases, esp as it also involves elderly care and food workers...

It also demonstrates why the rules on COVID bubbles need to be well developed,

WA changed the quarantine settings Mid flight on travellers going from Adelaide to Perth reintroducing a 14 day requirement, after just reopening the border to SA travellers ...

15 of the 17 cases linked to a large family with a medihotel worker amongst them so not too bad. Not concerned about Hungry jacks as it’s a limited number of staff they’d be on shift with. McDonalds in Melbourne closed, cleaned then reopened with staff from other McDs. Tends to be 14 days close if you don’t have the unaffected staff to reopen. It’s more the case from a prison and 2 in aged care that are concerning. And the exposure to hospital staff although the 80yr old was wearing a mask which hopefully results in no onward transmission there.

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#2604747 16-Nov-2020 14:24

chatterbox: 15 of the 17 cases linked to a large family with a medihotel worker amongst them so not too bad. Not concerned about Hungry jacks as it’s a limited number of staff they’d be on shift with. McDonalds in Melbourne closed, cleaned then reopened with staff from other McDs. Tends to be 14 days close if you don’t have the unaffected staff to reopen. It’s more the case from a prison and 2 in aged care that are concerning. And the exposure to hospital staff although the 80yr old was wearing a mask which hopefully results in no onward transmission there.

The concern at the moment will be they don't know how long the infection chains are....

Surge testing today should help them determining that... but because the initial case detected was likely 1 step away from the MIQ worker it has got a bit of a head start on them..

Its probably a good example for NZ to monitor with regard to how Australia reacts, and to get become familiar for if/when we open a bubble to them...

Edit: Aussie news are now saying that there could have been spread for a week before this detection, which would mean 2-3 links..... so its still possible to contain, but they will need to move fast and lockdown any big possible spread sites. the prison and aged care sites etc

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#2604780 16-Nov-2020 14:58

wellygary:
DS248:

A likely quarantine failure South Australia. A medi-hotel worker and two family members confirmed on Saturday after one of the family members, a woman in her 80s tested positive at a hospital emergency department. First local cases in SA in many months.

https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+internet/about+us/news+and+media/all+media+releases/covid-19+update+15+november.

Edit: Oh, wellygary already posted this (& more) while I was writing this!

:). I think such outbreaks will be ongoing,

But it appears SA are an outbreak/response cycle behind us, and had not required testing of staff ... This could blow up into a big cluster quite quickly.:(

"She said that while voluntary testing had been available for hotel staff for some time, as of Sunday the government was implementing mandatory seven-day testing requirements for all staff."

"That includes our nursing staff, our police, security, and also cleaning and concierge staff, so everybody that is working within that environment," Professor Spurrier said.

"But I really believe that this is the way we need to be going because it's obvious that this is the highest risk in Australia right now is this risk of importation in our quarantine hotels."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/mandatory-testing-for-hotel-quarantine-staff-after-positive-sa-case-20201115-p56esg.html

Wow I'm lost for words

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#2604798 16-Nov-2020 15:33

wellygary:
chatterbox: 15 of the 17 cases linked to a large family with a medihotel worker amongst them so not too bad. Not concerned about Hungry jacks as it’s a limited number of staff they’d be on shift with. McDonalds in Melbourne closed, cleaned then reopened with staff from other McDs. Tends to be 14 days close if you don’t have the unaffected staff to reopen. It’s more the case from a prison and 2 in aged care that are concerning. And the exposure to hospital staff although the 80yr old was wearing a mask which hopefully results in no onward transmission there.

The concern at the moment will be they don't know how long the infection chains are....

Surge testing today should help them determining that... but because the initial case detected was likely 1 step away from the MIQ worker it has got a bit of a head start on them..

Its probably a good example for NZ to monitor with regard to how Australia reacts, and to get become familiar for if/when we open a bubble to them...

Edit: Aussie news are now saying that there could have been spread for a week before this detection, which would mean 2-3 links..... so its still possible to contain, but they will need to move fast and lockdown any big possible spread sites. the prison and aged care sites etc

The South Australian Chief Health Officer has said she’s positive it’s from the medi hotel and awaiting genome sequencing likely to link to a traveller. 80 year old detected first but linked to her child either the 50 year old or 60 year old, one of which is a medihotel worker which is the link to the border.

The risk to both countries is the international border, not people traveling to see friends and family. My only criticism of South Australia and maybe Australia wide is that they made the same mistake as NZ and didn’t make testing mandatory for border workers. Was voluntary.

Queensland were in a similar situation when it came from Melbourne and the girls had been in the community for a week. Can’t remember how long it took to contain it. Maybe 6 weeks or so. A youth detention center involved, maybe one aged care worker. No lockdown but a few very targeted restrictions. Expect South Australia to have a similarly strong response. Will see.

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#2604893 16-Nov-2020 17:02

Masks compulsory on all flights, and on Auckland public transport under level 1 from Thursday.

Good. I'd like to have seen use of the covid app or signing in compulsory too.

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#2604896 16-Nov-2020 17:14

Fred99: I'd like to have seen use of the covid app or signing in compulsory too.

The only problem with making it compulsory is people deleting the scan once in the shop or giving a fake contact number.

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#2604902 16-Nov-2020 17:26

Bravo2020:

The only problem with making it compulsory is people deleting the scan once in the shop or giving a fake contact number.

Why assume that? A few Q-stupids might, but normal people would do what is required. Most just forget or are lazy. They are not trying to make a dumb point.

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#2604905 16-Nov-2020 17:29

Bravo2020:
Fred99: I'd like to have seen use of the covid app or signing in compulsory too.

The only problem with making it compulsory is people deleting the scan once in the shop or giving a fake contact number.

At a *guess 9 out of 10 people seem to be doing nothing at all, a few percent conspiracy theorists who go out of their way to deceive is much better than maybe 90%.

*speculation/anecdote based on visit to two banks, a hardware store, and a supermarket in Chch today.

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