2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2618010 8-Dec-2020 11:07

meanwhile UK starting vaccination Tuesday UK time

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/uk/uk-covid-first-vaccinations-pfizer-gbr-intl/index.html

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#2618013 8-Dec-2020 11:09

Rikkitic:

Is this the next one?

No. All the ill people got their water from a common source, so a water-borne disease of some kind. Looking at the symptoms, I'd guess some kind of toxic algae or similar.

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#2618033 8-Dec-2020 11:29

Batman:

you guys might have to wait for your vaccine

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-vaccines-trump/trump-to-sign-order-giving-priority-access-for-covid-vaccines-to-americans-idUKKBN28H2LN

Depends on who you mean by 'you guys' I guess.

I'm not intimately familiar with the process that NZ will use for immunisation but I'm kind of assuming that we'll procure our own and are not needing US assistance.

Sometimes I use big words I don't always fully understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.

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#2618035 8-Dec-2020 11:32

frankv:

Rikkitic:

Is this the next one?

No. All the ill people got their water from a common source, so a water-borne disease of some kind. Looking at the symptoms, I'd guess some kind of toxic algae or similar.

Or pesticides or other contamination of food/water - ie Lead Chromate powder looks like turmeric.

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#2618039 8-Dec-2020 11:40

Mum just sent me a WhatsApp forward and it goes like this.

"Head of Pfizer Research says vaccine is forced sterilisation."

Asks me is this true.

It has begun.

If you geeks know how to counter that, it would be good

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#2618042 8-Dec-2020 11:50

Batman: Mum just sent me a WhatsApp forward and it goes like this.

"Head of Pfizer says vaccine is forced sterilisation."

Asks me is this true.

It has begun.

If you geeks know how to counter that, it would be good

I don't believe any country is requiring compulsory COVID-19 vaccination.... So nothing is being "forced" on anyone....

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#2618044 8-Dec-2020 11:54

Yep, watch the NZ news for NZ vaccines, ignore all else

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#2618046 8-Dec-2020 12:01

wellygary:

Batman:

"Head of Pfizer says vaccine is forced sterilisation."

I don't believe any country is requiring compulsory COVID-19 vaccination.... So nothing is being "forced" on anyone....

Aha! So you admit that it is covert sterilisation then!

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#2618057 8-Dec-2020 12:20

Meanwhile, in Florida, where the Governor is an anti-science guy, they send the police to confiscate the computer of a scientist who runs a well-known COVID number-tracker website.

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#2618059 8-Dec-2020 12:22

Former Alabama senator dies of COVID, last words "We messed up"

No shit, Sherlock.

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#2618066 8-Dec-2020 12:28

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, it didn't see it in the last few pages:

Pfizer etc are saying they aren't sure of their vaccine will prevent transmission, but I don't understand this. If the vaccine is teaching your immune system to fight the virus before it can replicate throughout the body, how can a vaccinated person still end up as infectious as a non-vaccinated person after exposure to the virus?

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#2618084 8-Dec-2020 12:47

freitasm:

Meanwhile, in Florida, where the Governor is an anti-science guy, they send the police to confiscate the computer of a scientist who runs a well-known COVID number-tracker website.

Ahhhh, land of the free!!

I'm not a complete idiot, I still have some parts missing.

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#2618146 8-Dec-2020 13:16

Paul1977:

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, it didn't see it in the last few pages:

Pfizer etc are saying they aren't sure of their vaccine will prevent transmission, but I don't understand this. If the vaccine is teaching your immune system to fight the virus before it can replicate throughout the body, how can a vaccinated person still end up as infectious as a non-vaccinated person after exposure to the virus?

Believe Was outlined earlier.

Something about the test cases were all negative to start with, and then had it introduced and just the antibodies tested. And being 2 phase, They don't know what happens when an infected person, or past infected person is given it. Antibodies might just stop you, but still allow shed? Other than it can help fight off a new dose once established.

To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines. Instead, they teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.

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#2618161 8-Dec-2020 13:54

Paul1977:
Sorry if this has been asked and answered, it didn't see it in the last few pages:

Pfizer etc are saying they aren't sure of their vaccine will prevent transmission, but I don't understand this. If the vaccine is teaching your immune system to fight the virus before it can replicate throughout the body, how can a vaccinated person still end up as infectious as a non-vaccinated person after exposure to the virus?

Because that facet had not been studied. They can't make up data and conclusions from something that was not studied.

It's like -

Is there milk at the countdown in grey lynn?

If I say yes (or no) I'd be lying coz I had not looked.

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#2618293 8-Dec-2020 18:48

freitasm: Meanwhile, in Florida, where the Governor is an anti-science guy, they send the police to confiscate the computer of a scientist who runs a well-known COVID number-tracker website.

Washington Post: Florida police raid house of fired data scientist who alleged state manipulated covid-19 stats

"Florida police officers with guns drawn raided the home of an ousted health department data scientist Monday morning, searching for the former agency employee’s most powerful tools: her computer, her phone and other hardware that supports the coronavirus website she set up after accusing the state of manipulating its official numbers.

Law enforcement officials allege the scientist, Rebekah Jones, may have also used the devices to hack into a health department website in November and to send an unauthorized message to Florida emergency personnel, urging them to speak out against the state’s pandemic response. She has denied the accusation.

...Jones is an outspoken critic of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (Republican). She has alleged her ex-managers directed her to change virus case data to downplay risks of infection and death in the state. The health department has denied this.

...Officials use the platform, ReadyOp, to coordinate emergency response across state agencies. On Nov. 10, members ... received a message that read 'It’s time to speak up before another 17,000 people are dead. You know this is wrong. You don’t have to be a part of this. Be a hero. Speak out before it’s too late.'"

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