2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2623841 18-Dec-2020 12:23

Should get a better idea of the extent of the CT in NSW after 1pm NZ time:

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Health Minister Brad Hazzard will hold a press conference at 11am where they will announce a "considerable amount" of new cases.

If that (from SMH) is accurate and depending what a "considerable amount" means and where they're finding them, then they may have a big problem.

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#2623842 18-Dec-2020 12:31

Fred99:

Should get a better idea of the extent of the CT in NSW after 1pm NZ time:

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Health Minister Brad Hazzard will hold a press conference at 11am where they will announce a "considerable amount" of new cases.

If that (from SMH) is accurate and depending what a "considerable amount" means and where they're finding them, then they may have a big problem.

Its a verbatim quote....

The ABC are running a very good liveblog ......

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-outbreak/12995398

"I am asking people to brace themselves today, we are going to see more cases overnight. No doubt about it.

"I will be providing an update with the Health Minister later in the day, I want everybody to brace themselves. We are going to have a considerable amount of cases come, I think, during the day, and that is because people have come forward to get tested."

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#2623901 18-Dec-2020 13:06

10 new CT cases in NSW - that's not looking too bad IMO.

(Total 27 - plus one unrelated to CT from the Northern Beaches cluster and probably contained)

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#2623911 18-Dec-2020 13:25

10 is the magic number. Us too!

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#2623914 18-Dec-2020 13:34

Latest info from NSW

There are now 28 cases linked to the Northern Beaches cluster in Sydney, including a person who has since travelled to Queensland on a flight.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-outbreak/12995398

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#2623935 18-Dec-2020 14:32

wellygary:
Fred99:

Looks like it could a bit of a problem for trans Tasman travel bubble, and they'll need to try to ringfence it before the holiday season.

17 cases now:

I'm not that particularly worried about the outbreak ( at the moment) NSW have shown they have a strong track and trace system....

What is interesting to watch is that none of the states are taking any notice of the Federal Government's hot spot definition ( 10 cases for 3 days)

They have started to implement different various restrictions, ( some on all of NSW, Some requiring 14 days self isolation on those form the Northern Beaches regions, while others are fully banning them) ..

This indicates that NZ would be totally fine to implement restrictions earlier that meeting the Hotspot criteria ... I suspect this is why NZ announced it was happy to push on with the bubble by 31 March...

There is no nationally agreed hotspot definition. The Federal government hotspot definition applies at this stage to accessing federal assistance eg Australian Defence Force

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#2623941 18-Dec-2020 14:55

wellygary:
Fred99:

Looks like it could a bit of a problem for trans Tasman travel bubble, and they'll need to try to ringfence it before the holiday season.

17 cases now:

I'm not that particularly worried about the outbreak ( at the moment) NSW have shown they have a strong track and trace system....

What is interesting to watch is that none of the states are taking any notice of the Federal Government's hot spot definition ( 10 cases for 3 days)

They have started to implement different various restrictions, ( some on all of NSW, Some requiring 14 days self isolation on those form the Northern Beaches regions, while others are fully banning them) ..

This indicates that NZ would be totally fine to implement restrictions earlier that meeting the Hotspot criteria ... I suspect this is why NZ announced it was happy to push on with the bubble by 31 March...

There is no nationally agreed hotspot definition. The Federal government hotspot definition applies at this stage to accessing federal assistance eg Australian Defence Force. From the pm.gov.au website.

“The paper presented to National Cabinet, provides quantitative and qualitative metrics to determine COVID-19 hotspots for the purpose of the provision of Commonwealth support. Decisions would be based on a threshold of: “

Greg Hunt Federal Health Minister also just said CMO Paul Kelly announced Northern Beaches reached hotspot definition for Commonwealth support. Eg emergency delivery PPE, asymptomatic testing, aged care facility changes.

It’s nothing to do with borders closing etc. still up to the individual states.

This cluster genomically linked to US. Most similar to a traveller that went through quarantine. New South Wales now placing air crew in 2 designated hotels as they were allowed across 26 hotels. Air crew found to have breached quarantine previously but tested negative. Weekly testing for border workers wasn’t fully in place when the hotel quarantine worker tested positive early December. Hoping that’s in place now.

New South Wales will get on top of it but I’m not sure it will be as fast as the Adelaide cluster. Hopefully if most cases identified in the first week then subsequent weeks it will die out. At least the cases are all linked currently. Apparently Northern beaches population quite compliant which should help. A couple of cases live outside that jurisdiction.

Edit: didn’t realise previous reply posted.

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#2623979 18-Dec-2020 16:00

Entertainment Tonight Canada: Tom Cruise's COVID-19 Rant Causes 7 Crew Members To Quit

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#2623989 18-Dec-2020 16:51

chatterbox:
There is no nationally agreed hotspot definition. The Federal government hotspot definition applies at this stage to accessing federal assistance eg Australian Defence Force

According to this all bar WA agreed, but its not binding or enforceable

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-sydney-northern-beaches-lga-declared-national-covid-hotspot-greg-hunt-announces/f978ff9a-066d-4916-8d11-c9776a46ccbc

"The federal guidelines were established at a National Cabinet meeting in September, where they were agreed upon by seven out of eight state and territory leaders.

According to Commonwealth guidelines, a metropolitan area will be considered a potential hotspot if it registers 30 or more locally acquired cases in three days."

But the Federal Government just declared the Northern Beaches a "Hot spot" and its only had 28 cases, so it just shows how loose the rules actually are.... and are not really something NZ should loose sleep over in regard to any Bubble...

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#2624119 18-Dec-2020 21:42

wellygary:
chatterbox:
There is no nationally agreed hotspot definition. The Federal government hotspot definition applies at this stage to accessing federal assistance eg Australian Defence Force

According to this all bar WA agreed, but its not binding or enforceable

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-sydney-northern-beaches-lga-declared-national-covid-hotspot-greg-hunt-announces/f978ff9a-066d-4916-8d11-c9776a46ccbc

"The federal guidelines were established at a National Cabinet meeting in September, where they were agreed upon by seven out of eight state and territory leaders.

According to Commonwealth guidelines, a metropolitan area will be considered a potential hotspot if it registers 30 or more locally acquired cases in three days."

But the Federal Government just declared the Northern Beaches a "Hot spot" and its only had 28 cases, so it just shows how loose the rules actually are.... and are not really something NZ should loose sleep over in regard to any Bubble...

I think the point you’re missing is that the federal hotspot definition triggers aid from the commonwealth (federal) government. There are different definitions for regional vs metro.

Nothing to do with individual state or territory governments decisions to close borders or label a region as a hotspot. The 8 governments have always made their own decisions on restrictions. If a bubble forms, New Zealand will be the 9th government also making their own decisions based on the health information available at the time.

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#2624172 19-Dec-2020 07:13

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300188468/us-vice-president-mike-pence-gets-covid19-vaccine-on-live-television

"US Vice President Mike Pence has been vaccinated for Covid-19 in a live-television event aimed at reassuring Americans the vaccine is safe."

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#2624373 19-Dec-2020 15:48

BBC News: Coronavirus: Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf says coronavirus approach 'has failed'

Sweden's king has said his country "failed" to save lives with its relatively relaxed approach to the coronavirus pandemic.

...Sweden, which has never imposed a full lockdown, has seen nearly 350,000 cases and more than 7,800 deaths - a lot more than its Scandinavian neighbours.

Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said he agreed with the king's remarks.

"Of course the fact that so many have died can't be considered as anything other than a failure," Mr Lofven told reporters.

Referring to the government's strategy, Mr Lofven added that "it's when we are through the pandemic that the real conclusions can be drawn".

In the programme, the king says: "I think we have failed. We have a large number who have died and that is terrible.

"The people of Sweden have suffered tremendously in difficult conditions. One thinks of all the family members who have happened to be unable to say goodbye to their deceased family members. I think it is a tough and traumatic experience not to be able to say a warm goodbye."

...Instead of relying on legal sanctions, Sweden appeals to citizens' sense of responsibility and civic duty, and issues only recommendations. There are no sanctions if they are ignored.

Sweden has never imposed a nationwide lockdown or the wearing of masks, and bars and restaurants have remained open.

However, earlier this week, schools across the Stockholm region were asked to switch to distance learning for 13 to 15-year-olds for the first time as soon as possible. The measure was announced in response to rising Covid-19 cases.

This came a week after a nationwide decision on 7 December to switch to remote learning for those over 16.

And on Monday, new nationwide social-distancing recommendations for the Christmas period came into force, replacing similar region-specific guidelines.

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#2624377 19-Dec-2020 15:57

Hard to get more irresponsible than this guy. Even while COVID deaths were creating mass grave sites, he was saying the virus was "a little flu"

CTV: Brazil's Bolsonaro warns virus vaccine can turn people into 'crocodiles'

...Brazil has recorded more than 7.1 million cases and almost 185,000 deaths from COVID-19 amongst its 212 million population.

"In the Pfizer contract it's very clear: 'we're not responsible for any side effects.' If you turn into a crocodile, it's your problem," Bolsonaro said on Thursday.

That vaccine has been undergoing tests in Brazil for weeks and is already being used in the United States and Britain.

"If you become superhuman, if a woman starts to grow a beard or if a man starts to speak with an effeminate voice, they will not have anything to do with it," he said, referring to the drug manufacturers....

Bolsonaro said that once a vaccine has been certified by Brazil's regulatory agency Anvisa, "it will be available for everyone that wants it. But me, I won't get vaccinated."

"Some people say I'm giving a bad example. But to the imbeciles, to the idiots that say this, I tell them I've already caught the virus, I have the antibodies, so why get vaccinated?"...

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#2624378 19-Dec-2020 16:00

NPR: Pfizer Says Millions Of Vaccine Doses Are Ready, But American States Say Shipments Were Cut

What Pfizer says

"Pfizer is not having any production issues with our COVID-19 vaccine, and no shipments containing the vaccine are on hold or delayed," CEO Albert Bourla said via Twitter. His company says it has completed every shipment the U.S. government has requested.

"We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses," Pfizer said in a statement.
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What the states say

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has told his state that its vaccine allocation "will be cut by 40 percent next week — and that all states are seeing similar cuts." The federal government did not give an explanation, he said.
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#2624503 19-Dec-2020 21:59

New York Times: US Homeland Security’s Latest Target: Vaccine Scams

A division of the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, working with the US Justice Department, is hunting down websites offering fraudulent deals to buy coronavirus vaccines.

...Given the intense global demand for protection from Covid-19, it is perhaps not surprising that law enforcement authorities are already uncovering fake sites looking to cash in on the desperate search for alternative ways to obtain a vaccine for a disease that has ravaged the world.

That work from the team of agents from the Department of Homeland Security helped secure the latest takedown of a website posted by fraudsters looking to steal personal information under the guise of offering treatments for the coronavirus — and one of the first online schemes to use the name of a company approved by the United States to distribute the vaccine.

Investigators on Friday shut down the website claiming to belong to Moderna but was rather a trap set up to steal personal information and potentially deploy malware, according to a statement issued by the U.S. attorney for the District of Maryland.

The team from Homeland Security Investigations, a division of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, was brought together last spring to combat online fraud that has become pervasive during the pandemic.

The efforts were first focused on fraudulent personal protective gear during widespread shortages for the needed supplies. Now the ICE mission, “Operation Stolen Promise,” has turned to fraudsters claiming to sell the vaccine, deploying special agents trained in searching the dark web to work with private health care companies in shutting down the websites.

The efforts by the investigations unit — which is working in coordination with the F.B.I., the Justice Department and Customs and Border Protection — come as the international organization Interpol warned this month that organized crime networks were looking to take advantage of the high demand for the vaccine, calling it “liquid gold.”...

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