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  #2629699 3-Jan-2021 12:18
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Press release:

 

 

Travellers from the United Kingdom or the United States bound for New Zealand will be required to get a negative test result for COVID-19 before departing, and work is underway to extend the requirement to other long haul flights to New Zealand, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins confirmed today.

 

“The new PCR test requirement, foreshadowed last week, will require travellers from the UK or the US to have a written form, certified by a laboratory or another form of approved evidence, showing a negative result in the 72 hours prior to departure. It will come into force on flights arriving in New Zealand after 11.59pm on 15 January,” Chris Hipkins said.

 

“Work is underway on similar measures for travellers using most other long haul routes to New Zealand. We expect to be in a position to provide more details within the next week – after we get a more complete picture of testing regimes and capabilities in overseas jurisdictions.     

 

“A detailed plan to put the new requirement into action in the UK and the US is being developed with airlines and will be widely communicated in time for 15 January via the Immigration NZ website and contact centre, the SafeTravel website and communications directly to airlines so they can contact booked travellers.

 

“A very limited number of people may be exempt, including if they have a medical certificate verifying they have been examined within 72 hours prior to their departure, but are unable to undertake a test for medical reasons and do not exhibit symptoms of COVID-19.

 

“Enforcement will be managed by an amendment to New Zealand’s Air Border Order to make arriving in New Zealand via the air border without evidence of a negative approved test an infringement offence.

 

“We know this will add to the stress of travellers wanting to get to New Zealand and have made this decision carefully. It will provide further assurance for New Zealanders at a time when infections from the virus appear to be accelerating overseas.  

 

“The managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) system remains the bedrock of our border security. The new step is a further precaution to support our goal of making summer unstoppable and is consistent with the overall elimination strategy,” Chris Hipkins said.

 

“The pre-departure test is an additional requirement to the day zero/day one testing and stay in their room in MIQ requirement for arrivals from higher risk countries that came into force last Friday. Travellers from the UK and the US will still have to go through New Zealand’s 14-day quarantine regime.

 

“It reduces the risk of infected passengers on international long haul flights infecting other passengers with COVID-19.

 

“We intend the test to also have an added benefit of encouraging extra-cautious behaviour before people fly and during flights and layovers that will minimise exposure to COVID-19.”

 

Chris Hipkins said the Government is moving at pace to match or exceed the kinds of fast-changing travel requirements in many countries and at transit points for air routes to New Zealand.

 

“Most of the main transit hubs for flights from the United Kingdom to New Zealand require passengers to have had a negative test 72 hours prior to departure, and Japan and China have currently stopped all flights from the United Kingdom.

 

“It’s important, however, that we put our own safeguards in place. We’re at the end of long haul flights or chains of flights and any actions we take to further strengthen our border must be based on our own unique set of circumstances.    

 

“We’re stepping though the options carefully to minimise any overlapping requirements on travellers or airlines. 

 

“We will announce these additional protections in stages over the coming weeks,” Chris Hipkins said.  

 

Summary of the current long haul flight situation as it relates to New Zealand:

 

  • Some countries and territories through which passengers from the United Kingdom transit to come to New Zealand, such as Japan and China (including Hong Kong), are not allowing people from the United Kingdom to enter their countries, including for transit.
  • Only Air New Zealand flies direct from the US to New Zealand.
  • People from the United Kingdom could fly to New Zealand via the United States if they can enter that country. However, they require a viral test (NAAT or antigen test) 72 hours before travelling.
  • Singapore re-opened transit from the United Kingdom on 29 December requiring anyone transiting from the United Kingdom through Singapore to have taken a PCR test 72 hours before boarding and to remain on the aircraft while transiting.
  • Taiwan allows transit for passengers from the United Kingdom if they have a PCR test within three working days of date of departure.
  • People from the United Kingdom (and most other countries) transiting through the United Arab Emirates either directly to New Zealand or via Australia to New Zealand are required to have a PCR test 96 hours before boarding. Passengers travelling to New Zealand on these flights should take the test up to 72 hours prior to boarding.
  • The main route into New Zealand which does not have pre-departure testing requirements is Doha/Qatar – which will be covered by the amended border order.





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  #2629712 3-Jan-2021 13:35
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The UK is not going to give the vaccine as directed by the manufacture. They could reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine by doing this?

 

Instead of 21 days between doses they are looking at 12 weeks, and hoping new batches arrive when suppose to.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-doses-pfizer-fauci-b1781455.html#

 

 


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  #2629714 3-Jan-2021 13:39
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rugrat:

 

The UK is not going to give the vaccine as directed by the manufacture. They could reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine by doing this?

 

Instead of 21 days between doses they are looking at 12 weeks, and hoping new batches arrive when suppose to.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-doses-pfizer-fauci-b1781455.html#

 

 

 

 

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  #2629716 3-Jan-2021 13:46
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6 of the 18 new cases in MIQ are the UK variant, which is expected. Soon there will be a 72 hours negative test requirement, from UK/USA. While this will reduce new cases, it cant change anything. The returning Kiwi's would need to self isolate for 14 days there, rebook, get another test when they re-return. Bit of a hassle as I imagine returning Kiwi's cant just book any old flight of the heaps that are there, as they aren't now. I don't know why we are targeting the UK and USA, as the variant is going everywhere, and to all intents and purposes almost every other country is high risk, variant or not. Are there any limitations in the period from the test to boarding? I guess not, all trust...


  #2629726 3-Jan-2021 14:15
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tdgeek:

 

I imagine returning Kiwi's cant just book any old flight of the heaps that are there, as they aren't now.

 

 

Can't re-book because there are no or almost no MIQ places until mid-March, and not that many then either:

 


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  #2629727 3-Jan-2021 14:19
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So basically a stop fill extra layer for the ones pre-booked already. As come march, theres the hope of improvement all around.

 

Interesting all the UK variants are recovered and leaving. Updates every few days, lots of test regime. And only advise on their departure

 

 


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  #2629728 3-Jan-2021 14:22
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PolicyGuy:

 

Can't re-book because there are no or almost no MIQ places until mid-March, and not that many then either:

 

 

 

Exactly. So you book a while back for tomorrow, cant go. Book 4 March, maybe can't go. We certainly dont want cases on the plane but there are anyway, thats a known risk. I cant give the ideal solution, but what we are doing is working. Kiwis come home tick. Some test positive when just here, cant help that, get it done and tick.


 
 
 

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  #2629729 3-Jan-2021 14:37
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kingdragonfly:
frankv:Conversely, a push to vaccinate Black Americans could be seen as testing out the vaccine on the Black community. So whether they vaccinate or not, the poor and Black once again become cannon fodder, just like Korea and Vietnam.


I don't agree with that. Demographics show that world-wide race has not been a major component yet, because either people were "forced" (the elderly and vulnerable) or were professionals.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/20/black-americans-death-rate-covid-19-coronavirus They claim 3 times the death rate for Black Americans vs whites, although I make it 2.5 times. Whatever, there is a major difference there based on race. Admittedly, that's likely to be due to economics (crowded housing, lack of health insurance, not able to take time off from work) than race per se. So, Black Americans are in the cleft stick of vaccinating early (and effectively be part of a large-scale trial) or face a much higher death risk. The parallel to Korea and Vietnam is that blacks were over-represented in the front-line troops due to economics.

 

 


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  #2629730 3-Jan-2021 14:43
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tdgeek:

 

6 of the 18 new cases in MIQ are the UK variant, which is expected. Soon there will be a 72 hours negative test requirement, from UK/USA. While this will reduce new cases, it cant change anything. The returning Kiwi's would need to self isolate for 14 days there, rebook, get another test when they re-return. Bit of a hassle as I imagine returning Kiwi's cant just book any old flight of the heaps that are there, as they aren't now. I don't know why we are targeting the UK and USA, as the variant is going everywhere, and to all intents and purposes almost every other country is high risk, variant or not. Are there any limitations in the period from the test to boarding? I guess not, all trust...

 

 

 

 

I am returning from the UK in March. That's pretty much it from what I can tell, if you fail the test, then find somewhere to isolate in the UK for a couple of weeks. Hope there is a system in place where I'm not waiting 3 months for a spot in managed isolation and go from there. 


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  #2629740 3-Jan-2021 15:29
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PolicyGuy: Can't re-book because there are no or almost no MIQ places until mid-March, and not that many then either


We're getting quite a back-log on people trying to get into New Zealand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe still only citizen's, and a few skilled workers like doctors/nurses, can arrive.

While there's a business investors route, usually $10 million for the looser criteria, the maximum number has already been reached for 2021.

Immigration NZ: Information about Investor 2 Resident Visa

Maximum age: 65

Number of Visas: 400 per year (current queue is 414)...

RNZ : $2b worth of investor visas 'locked up in office in Wellington'

...Immigration New Zealand (INZ) said it cannot legally grant new visas to people unlikely to get border clearance at the moment.

Figures show since the end of April, the number of investor applications "on hand" rose 44 percent from 288 to 414.

But since July only 11 investor category 1 visa applications - with a minimum price tag of $10 million investment each - have been decided, and 17 in category 2, which has a minimum of $3m but tighter criteria.

...processing of investor visas applications was very slow.

Verification of the source of funds can sometime date back many decades ... [to make sure] that the money has been legally earned...

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  #2629743 3-Jan-2021 15:40
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frankv: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/20/black-americans-death-rate-covid-19-coronavirus They claim 3 times the death rate for Black Americans vs whites, although I make it 2.5 times. Whatever, there is a major difference there based on race. Admittedly, that's likely to be due to economics (crowded housing, lack of health insurance, not able to take time off from work) than race per se. So, Black Americans are in the cleft stick of vaccinating early (and effectively be part of a large-scale trial) or face a much higher death risk. The parallel to Korea and Vietnam is that blacks were over-represented in the front-line troops due to economics.
I think we're agreeing, perhaps with different perspectives. In the US, and here, we should be funding targeted media campaigns toward people of colour.

In NZ, Maori and Pacifica sport heroes doing ads (PSA's) during prime time events seems like a good idea to me.

Even a 15 second spot showing All-Blacks getting vaccinated, and while getting the shots, they personally tell the audience why it's important.

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  #2629744 3-Jan-2021 15:48
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kingdragonfly: 

Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe still only citizen's, and a few skilled workers like doctors/nurses, can arrive.

 

And it would appear, possibly extended families/partners/parents by default of those who are resident status already here but rest overseas.

 

 


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  #2629747 3-Jan-2021 15:59
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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/01/04/the-plague-year

A very good ( and very long ) article on the american covid response. Covers everything from the initial detection in Wuhan, through to Election day. Lots of behind the scenes quotes and stories. Factually and apolitically written

Some interesting insights on what certain officials were doing behind the scenes and away from the camera's.

Leave about an hour or two to read :)

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  #2629773 3-Jan-2021 18:13
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lxsw20:

 

 

 

I am returning from the UK in March. That's pretty much it from what I can tell, if you fail the test, then find somewhere to isolate in the UK for a couple of weeks. Hope there is a system in place where I'm not waiting 3 months for a spot in managed isolation and go from there. 

 

 

Yeah I feel for that. You do the right thing, and maybe you get caught. I guess the system in place is to hunker down and get the negative test. 


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  #2629775 3-Jan-2021 18:18
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kingdragonfly: 

We're getting quite a back-log on people trying to get into New Zealand.

 

I was thinking that today. Its many many months, plenty of time to get home. Yes, you cant leave a job then fly tomorrow, but March till January? I expected a RUSH at some point in 2020, mid year. Im not sure how many are still coming in, but maybe they need to register as "coming home during MIQ" Free. Thereafter, you have stayed with what will probably be a vaccine/non MIQ scenario. Maybe a line needs to be drawn 


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