2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2629778 3-Jan-2021 18:30

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rugrat:

The UK is not going to give the vaccine as directed by the manufacture. They could reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine by doing this?

Instead of 21 days between doses they are looking at 12 weeks, and hoping new batches arrive when suppose to.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-doses-pfizer-fauci-b1781455.html#

Another fail

Right from the beginning, the UK has made mistake after mistake after mistake. So this is no surprise. How many governments haven't listened to the professionals.

Hopefully they will come to their senses at the next election and vote them all out after this mess that has cost thousands of lives, and they are now living in a huge covid cesspit. Even NZ made mistakes and were slow to listen to the experts, especially in the early days, and as per the recent released report, but they fail in comparison, and we didn't lose too many lives as a result, and that was largely down to the public doing the right thing. So we have been rewarded by living in relative freedom. Many in the UK after speaking to family over there, are not doing the right thing.

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#2629781 3-Jan-2021 18:41

mattwnz:

Right from the beginning, the UK has made mistake after mistake after mistake. So this is no surprise. How many governments haven't listened to the professionals.

Hopefully they will come to their senses at the next election and vote them all out after this mess that has cost thousands of lives, and they are now living in a huge covid cesspit. Even NZ made mistakes and were slow to listen to the experts, especially in the early days, and as per the recent released report, but they fail in comparison, and we didn't lose too many lives as a result, and that was largely down to the public doing the right thing. So we have been rewarded by living in relative freedom. Many in the UK after speaking to family over there, are not doing the right thing.

UK yes, agree. NZ cannot agree. We were almost the LAST to do something, as we were amongst the LAST to get infected. You will recall a party, crying foul that this was was too much and wanted the lockdown ended, after IIRC 2 weeks. The economy cannot deal with this. The same that said we would have done it sooner.

We have done extremely well. If we had set MIQ as prison cells it would have been better, I grant you that. But it wasn't. This is NZ 2020 not Mediaval England. We have had outbreaks, how many and how often? AKL for a brief period. Its now pushing 10 months. Nothing wrong with perfection , but to achieve that you treat people like lepers in cells and if you are Kiwi, too bad, you cant come home. We are better than that, and its worked out extremely well. I now see New Years celebrations, stadiums pretty full, haven't seen a mask in ages. I hear you, but think reality.

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#2629810 3-Jan-2021 19:19

rugrat:

The UK is not going to give the vaccine as directed by the manufacture. They could reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine by doing this?

Instead of 21 days between doses they are looking at 12 weeks, and hoping new batches arrive when suppose to.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-doses-pfizer-fauci-b1781455.html#

I read somewhere that after the 12 weeks if they can't source the same vaccine or if they *forgot which vaccine they gave they would give a whatever other vaccine available at that time as a second dose

*well the actual wording was if they did not know what vaccine they gave as the first dose

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#2629815 3-Jan-2021 19:22

tdgeek:

mattwnz:

Right from the beginning, the UK has made mistake after mistake after mistake. So this is no surprise. How many governments haven't listened to the professionals.

Hopefully they will come to their senses at the next election and vote them all out after this mess that has cost thousands of lives, and they are now living in a huge covid cesspit. Even NZ made mistakes and were slow to listen to the experts, especially in the early days, and as per the recent released report, but they fail in comparison, and we didn't lose too many lives as a result, and that was largely down to the public doing the right thing. So we have been rewarded by living in relative freedom. Many in the UK after speaking to family over there, are not doing the right thing.

NZ cannot agree. We were almost the LAST to do something, as we were amongst the LAST to get infected. You will recall a party, crying foul that this was was too much and wanted the lockdown ended, after IIRC 2 weeks. The economy cannot deal with this. The same that said we would have done it sooner.

We have done extremely well. If we had set MIQ as prison cells it would have been better, I grant you that. But it wasn't. This is NZ 2020 not Mediaval England. We have had outbreaks, how many and how often? AKL for a brief period. Its now pushing 10 months. Nothing wrong with perfection , but to achieve that you treat people like lepers in cells and if you are Kiwi, too bad, you cant come home. We are better than that, and its worked out extremely well. I now see New Years celebrations, stadiums pretty full, haven't seen a mask in ages. I hear you, but think reality.

I am going from the independent review that was done, which was critical of parts of the response.

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#2629816 3-Jan-2021 19:23

Batman:

rugrat:

The UK is not going to give the vaccine as directed by the manufacture. They could reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine by doing this?

Instead of 21 days between doses they are looking at 12 weeks, and hoping new batches arrive when suppose to.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-doses-pfizer-fauci-b1781455.html#

I read somewhere that after the 12 weeks if they can't source the same vaccine or if they *forgot which vaccine they gave they would give a whatever other vaccine available at that time as a second dose

*not kidding - well actually i paraphrased - the wording was if they did not know what vaccine they gave as the first dose

This reminds me of tradespeople who fail to read the installation instructions, and then wonder why the product fails. Muppets.

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#2629817 3-Jan-2021 19:23

Sydney to a $200 fine for public no masks with their numbers not dropping off

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/sydney-introduces-mask-mandate-from-midnight-as-coronavirus-cases-rise/IY3G7AOA5PQHCNC35G5I2PFVO4/

Guy on tvnz 'I'd rather take the fine to be honest, standup for what I believe in...'

/Facepalm/

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#2629818 3-Jan-2021 19:25

Oblivian:

Sydney to a $200 fine for public no masks with their numbers not dropping off

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/sydney-introduces-mask-mandate-from-midnight-as-coronavirus-cases-rise/IY3G7AOA5PQHCNC35G5I2PFVO4/

Guy on tvnz 'I'd rather take the fine to be honest, standup for what I believe in...'

/Facepalm/

Australia seem so much tougher with their citizens over there with Covid, and their policing of the rules. They also like handling out their fines over there.

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#2629820 3-Jan-2021 19:35

mattwnz:

I am going from the independent review that was done, which was critical of parts of the response.

Yes it was. Do you feel we could have had near perfection from a non prison non dictatorial response? Many Asian countries have done very well, including China, despite its physical and population size. Yet NZ has the same issue as many western countries as Oblivian gave one of many examples. A town in the US a few weeks back, if you wear a mass they shame you. Can't release 5G without a drama. Perhaps those that want Utopia result can sort out the US and UK. China did it so why cant they?

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#2629821 3-Jan-2021 19:36

mattwnz:

Australia seem so much tougher with their citizens over there with Covid, and their policing of the rules. They also like handling out their fines over there.

How is that working out?

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#2629969 4-Jan-2021 07:34

tdgeek:

mattwnz:

Australia seem so much tougher with their citizens over there with Covid, and their policing of the rules. They also like handling out their fines over there.

How is that working out?

studies have been done on the effect of fining people during lockdowns to get them wearing masks etc. And the end results were basically they dont work. They found people got even more stubborn with the threat of fines and the countries that didnt have fines had more uptake with covid rules.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2629981 4-Jan-2021 08:42

A Texas teacher whose 2018 class video made her a national sensation dies from Covid-19 at 35.

In Texas alone, cases 1.8 million, deaths: 28,597

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#2630140 4-Jan-2021 11:24

Almost 25,000 people in England's hospitals with covid-19. 796 people admitted per day in London alone. Over 70,000 people tested on 29th December got positive results.

Better read this (short) thread (I have linked to the unroll version).

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#2630147 4-Jan-2021 11:45

Says it all. Adds to MF's post re UK

"This is about total collapse of the health care system if we have another spike," said Dr. Brad Spellberg, chief medical officer at the Los Angeles County-University of Southern California Medical Center.

"And we, in the hospital, cannot stop that. We can only react to it. It is the public that has the power to put a stop to the spread of this virus by obeying the public health guidance that have been put out."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/03/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html

I'd hate to quantify this in terms of economic impact, which is in itself, one of the reasons for the situation they have, "dont want to hurt the economy"

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#2630214 4-Jan-2021 13:38

If only they would take note of the science huh

I had to explain to some people on a US news stream last night, they were real upbeat and going they hope more people get it so they can be over and done with it. Cause vaccine/devil. And there was no other way. Cause lockdowns never work.. uh huh

And kept up with the whole '99.7% recovery rate' argument.

They are far too self centered to listen to reason. Or science. Or both.. If they aren't directly effected. Doesn't matter.

Takes an infection or going through it to even slightly persuade. No matter the story, the shift appears far too much in the wrong direction

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#2630229 4-Jan-2021 14:19

Lockdowns never work, OMG. The economic penalty of a 4 week lockdown vs what its like in USA, UK and Europe.Worse than that, its not a guess or hope now, as they can look elsewhere to see how it panned out. Its not an unknown future as it was for everyone early 2020.

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