2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2684161 30-Mar-2021 15:54

Perhaps a more reliable indicator of achievable levels of vaccination. Fairly impressive numbers given earlier attitudes of the Haredim.

About 73% of 20-29 year old's have had a first dose and over 62% fully vaccinated, rising to ~96% and ~91% respectively for people 70 hand over. And rising.

https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general

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#2684198 30-Mar-2021 17:01

And the winner is... Covid19

10 (8 wild) more for QLD. Hens night with an infected nurse. Now 2 clusters

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-new-cluster-emerges-as-brisbane-begins-three-day-lockdown/SRGEJX3PZRT5C2E7UUBIRHX2RU/

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#2684202 30-Mar-2021 17:24

Tradie as an entertainer at a hens night who is now infected. They're not gonna live that one down at work.

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#2684209 30-Mar-2021 17:39

Scott3:

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My understanding Aussie are still doing what NZ did initially, and allocating MIQ rooms to airlines, rather than directly, meaning that airlines can apply serious scarcity pricing to tickets which include a MIQ room allocation, often many thousands of dolar's, or only making higher classes of travel available. That comes on top of the actual fee for the MIQ room.

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To emphasis the cost aspect, I looked up 2nd may flights from Singapore to each Auckland and Melbourne.

Nonstop Singapre to auckland is NZD 1659

Nonstop Singapore to Melborne is NZD4896

Also NZ MIQ is a little cheaper: NZD3100 vs AUD3000 (NZD3268) for the first adult.

Green zone, one way Akl to Melbourne flights run at about $500.

So by going via NZ (if one can secure a MIQ spot), a traveler can save $2,900 (although expenses if they stayed in NZ for 14 days after MIQ would cut into this). Assume these are all NZ passport holders, and would enjoy a holiday in NZ.

If a traveler was willing to say they were staying for more than 90 days on arrival, they would save $6000 - although I hope there isn't much of this fraud going on.

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#2684212 30-Mar-2021 17:44

It's not being driven by cost. Getting flights to enter Australia is russian roulette.

Passengers are being bumped routinely. I know people who have had 3 or 4 tickets cancelled. There is no certainty of your place until you are in the air. Their system is a joke.

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#2684224 30-Mar-2021 17:54

Scott3:

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Nonstop Singapore to Melborne is NZD4896

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Does that possibly include MIQ?

WebJet gives a lot lower cost than that for nonstop Singapore to Melbourne (below is NZD on Singapore Airlines)

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#2684338 30-Mar-2021 21:30

DS248:

Does that possibly include MIQ?

WebJet gives a lot lower cost than that for nonstop Singapore to Melbourne (below is NZD on Singapore Airlines)

Looked into it again. It's a business class seat (economy was sold out on the 2nd May date I searched for). I thought it was economy because when clicked on in google travel it says "$xx is high for Economy". You only see the that it is business class in small type if you click the little down arrow...

The date you searched has economy available.

Sorry for sending people astray above.

However, given non stop economy seats are not being available on many / most dates, does mean meany people will be paying up for business... I think with all the drama of flight cancellations & changes people will want to fly direct where it is possible.

Quite glad our government took MIQ spaces away from the airlines and allocated them directly. Now all we need is a better system to allocate them than playing fastest finger...

Handle9: It's not being driven by cost. Getting flights to enter Australia is russian roulette.

Passengers are being bumped routinely. I know people who have had 3 or 4 tickets cancelled. There is no certainty of your place until you are in the air. Their system is a joke.

Whats going on? Is it simply the airlines bumping people on cheap fares when people are willing to pay up for more expensive fares? Or are the airlines canceling whole flights?

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#2684340 30-Mar-2021 21:42

Scott3:
Handle9: It's not being driven by cost. Getting flights to enter Australia is russian roulette.

Passengers are being bumped routinely. I know people who have had 3 or 4 tickets cancelled. There is no certainty of your place until you are in the air. Their system is a joke.

Whats going on? Is it simply the airlines bumping people on cheap fares when people are willing to pay up for more expensive fares? Or are the airlines canceling whole flights?

There is no guaranteed allocation of quarantine hotel beds by the state governments. It changes weekly or even daily so the airline's offload passengers based on what they are given. Of course the airline's will offload the cheapest fares to keep the flights viable.

It's a horrendous system and causing all sort misery for Australians overseas.

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#2684341 30-Mar-2021 21:46

Harsh reality that's pretty clear is that no Aussie state wants arrivals. They're quite happy to play games to try and not have them at all.. Federal Govt don't want to really touch things either because they'll get the blame then if things go wrong!

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#2684347 30-Mar-2021 22:15

sbiddle: Harsh reality that's pretty clear is that no Aussie state wants arrivals. They're quite happy to play games to try and not have them at all.. Federal Govt don't want to really touch things either because they'll get the blame then if things go wrong!

NSW has been pretty good with keeping things consistent. Victoria has been a basket case with the rest somewhat in the middle.

The federal government doesn't have jurisdiction over this stuff so it's a mess.

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#2684409 30-Mar-2021 23:40

More bad news for AZ/Oxford

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55

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#2684415 31-Mar-2021 00:22

I see in the news that NZ has now vaccinated a little over 1% of the population, Yay, except the media say it is 60,000 people which sounds a lot more .
Also can't see the OZ/ NZ travel bubble going ahead all that easily with the current lockdowns in Oz, and some states now restricting other states. Can see NZers getting trapped over there. Looks like some areas don't have the CT under control. A pity as many younger NZers really need to go to Oz on at least a bit of an OE, and for some it maybe their best opportunity to buy a house.

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#2684444 31-Mar-2021 07:20

DS248:

More bad news for AZ/Oxford

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55

As a vaccine it's now doomed in many Western Countries - it will be really interesting to see 6 months from now where this leads and in particular the real world effectiveness in countries like Australia and the UK where it is the primary vaccine. Right now all this is doing is creating vaccine hesitancy in people, especially in countries in Western Europe and you could argue NZ as well, where it's certainly being used by anti vaxxers now as all the proof they need to justify their views.

It's almost becoming a global big pharma conspiracy - I mean surely it's not other big pharma spreading false rumours to discredit the one company who wants to give their vaccine away at cost price for the greater good of the world so countries will switch to their vaccines and they'll make gazillions of dollars from it?! 😀

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#2684447 31-Mar-2021 07:32

Handle9:
sbiddle: Harsh reality that's pretty clear is that no Aussie state wants arrivals. They're quite happy to play games to try and not have them at all.. Federal Govt don't want to really touch things either because they'll get the blame then if things go wrong!

NSW has been pretty good with keeping things consistent. Victoria has been a basket case with the rest somewhat in the middle.

The federal government doesn't have jurisdiction over this stuff so it's a mess.

Overall the NSW response has been very consistent, and I don't think a lot of people (particularly NZers who think we're the only place in the world that has isn't locked down!) are really aware of the freedoms that people in NSW have enjoyed compared to other states.

The response really had divided the states down party lines, and it's going to be really interesting to see what the consequences of this are long term.

For all the great things Aussie are doing their vaccine rollout is clearly a shambles up there with NZ's current rollout though. They do seem to have sorted things in the past week now they have access to the Australian manufactured vaccine, and hit 500,000 vaccinated in total with 250,000 of these in the past week.

From today in Aussie any front line medical staff who work with Covid patients need to have been vaccinated, something that is a reactive response to the Queensland cases in health workers from the hospital. It would be interesting to know in our hospitals right now if somebody has admitted with Covid whether all front line staff who would be treating them have been vaccinated.

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#2684687 31-Mar-2021 11:59

mattwnz:

I see in the news that NZ has now vaccinated a little over 1% of the population, Yay, except the media say it is 60,000 people which sounds a lot more .
Also can't see the OZ/ NZ travel bubble going ahead all that easily with the current lockdowns in Oz, and some states now restricting other states. Can see NZers getting trapped over there. Looks like some areas don't have the CT under control. A pity as many younger NZers really need to go to Oz on at least a bit of an OE, and for some it maybe their best opportunity to buy a house.

66,296 Doses given to 52183 New Zealander's (With 16483 of those getting two doses so far). Oddly the numbers are about 2,500 out from re-conciliating correctly. As a guess, perhaps they aren't counting people on work visa's as New Zealanders. Alternatively perhaps we have vaccinated some foreign ship crews who regally come to NZ, but kept it on the down low.

Regarding the aussie bubble, I think it would work well if the NZ goverment announced Green zone (isolation free) flights from aussie, but that they are currently suspended due to the current aussie outbreak. Would make it quite clear to Kiwi's, not to go to Aussie, unless you are fine with your return being potentially delayed by several weeks (likely fine for somebody visiting family, but no good for a 1 week gold coast holiday). And it would make it clear, that as with the Aussie version of the same, NZ is going to suspend the green zone flights at a drop of a hat.

Hard pressed to describe an OE as a "need" in the midst of a global pandemic.

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