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#2684693 31-Mar-2021 12:17

Now we suddenly have hundreds of MIQ spaces popping up for April and the next few months.. And nobody seems to be able to explain why.

When these were as scarce as hens teeth as little as a week ago surely somebody at MBIE can explain why there are now hundreds free!

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#2684710 31-Mar-2021 12:35

sbiddle:

Now we suddenly have hundreds of MIQ spaces popping up for April and the next few months.. And nobody seems to be able to explain why.

When these were as scarce as hens teeth as little as a week ago surely somebody at MBIE can explain why there are now hundreds free!

Fewer people from Aus booking ahead to secure a place, because they had an expectation there would be a travel bubble soon?

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#2684713 31-Mar-2021 12:38

Scott3:

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66,296 Doses given to 52183 New Zealander's (With 16483 of those getting two doses so far). Oddly the numbers are about 2,500 out from re-conciliating correctly. As a guess, perhaps they aren't counting people on work visa's as New Zealanders. Alternatively perhaps we have vaccinated some foreign ship crews who regally come to NZ, but kept it on the down low.

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A link for these figures?

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#2684723 31-Mar-2021 12:48

Fred99:

sbiddle:

Now we suddenly have hundreds of MIQ spaces popping up for April and the next few months.. And nobody seems to be able to explain why.

When these were as scarce as hens teeth as little as a week ago surely somebody at MBIE can explain why there are now hundreds free!

Fewer people from Aus booking ahead to secure a place, because they had an expectation there would be a travel bubble soon?

But there were no spaces available - so either suddenly hundreds of bookings have suddenly been cancelled for April, or there is something else going on.

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#2684724 31-Mar-2021 12:48

Scott3:

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66,296 Doses given to 52183 New Zealander's (With 16483 of those getting two doses so far). Oddly the numbers are about 2,500 out from re-conciliating correctly. As a guess, perhaps they aren't counting people on work visa's as New Zealanders. Alternatively perhaps we have vaccinated some foreign ship crews who regally come to NZ, but kept it on the down low.

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Another (small) 'anomaly' - according to the Herald Vaccination Tracker, 18,000 first doses had been given by 10 March. Assuming your figures are for 31 March there should in theory have been 18,000 second doses by now (vs 16483 above)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-tracker-how-many-kiwis-have-been-vaccinated-and-how-do-we-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-world/ENMCOHM5QW6W3UN6MRMCOQKO2U/

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#2684732 31-Mar-2021 13:11

sbiddle:
But there were no spaces available - so either suddenly hundreds of bookings have suddenly been cancelled for April, or there is something else going on.

America's Cup?

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#2684735 31-Mar-2021 13:17

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Scott3:

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66,296 Doses given to 52183 New Zealander's (With 16483 of those getting two doses so far). Oddly the numbers are about 2,500 out from re-conciliating correctly. As a guess, perhaps they aren't counting people on work visa's as New Zealanders. Alternatively perhaps we have vaccinated some foreign ship crews who regally come to NZ, but kept it on the down low.

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A link for these figures?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-ministers-get-vaccine-and-provide-update-on-rollout/2ZR4W3BKQZ4OD4ZQ3USPE5H6VE/

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#2684736 31-Mar-2021 13:17

sbiddle:

For all the great things Aussie are doing their vaccine rollout is clearly a shambles up there with NZ's current rollout though. They do seem to have sorted things in the past week now they have access to the Australian manufactured vaccine, and hit 500,000 vaccinated in total with 250,000 of these in the past week.

From today in Aussie any front line medical staff who work with Covid patients need to have been vaccinated, something that is a reactive response to the Queensland cases in health workers from the hospital. It would be interesting to know in our hospitals right now if somebody has admitted with Covid whether all front line staff who would be treating them have been vaccinated.

I think people are being way to hard on the roll-outs. They want everything up and running a full speed now and 100% vaccinated tomorrow. We (and Australia) are early on in the process.
The media love a bad news story and everything is going wrong before suddenly it was the best thing ever. This is true of any large event and the media (eg Rugby world cup).

Expectations need to be realistic by people and managed by the government.
Will it help to hear we have a stockpile of 200,000 shots of Vaccine on hand? No.
No point going full steam for 2 weeks then having to stop vaccinations because we run out due to the fact that the supplier can't deliver.
I think I heard something about a shortage of vaccine world wide :) .

And as for Hospital I can guarantee that they are not all vaccinated yet - the roll out of the first shot is only just starting.

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#2684743 31-Mar-2021 13:26

Batman:
sbiddle:

But there were no spaces available - so either suddenly hundreds of bookings have suddenly been cancelled for April, or there is something else going on.

America's Cup?

Isn't MIQ have their contracts need to be renew around March or April? If not wrong there news few months ago about them said some may not want to continue become MIQ?

Maybe those operators decided to renew or they get better contracts to continue from the govt so there rooms suddenly appears?

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#2684748 31-Mar-2021 13:29

Boing boing. Welcome to the hop.

The investigation into the Day 12 case at the Grand Mercure managed isolation facility in Auckland continues.

The total number of returnees in this group, who required additional monitoring after leaving the hotel, reduced by one yesterday to 343 because a person has left the country. Health authorities at this person's destination country have been notified.

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#2684750 31-Mar-2021 13:34

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From today in Aussie any front line medical staff who work with Covid patients need to have been vaccinated, something that is a reactive response to the Queensland cases in health workers from the hospital. It would be interesting to know in our hospitals right now if somebody has admitted with Covid whether all front line staff who would be treating them have been vaccinated.

I think frountline health workers have only just started to get vaccinated (other than getting overflow vaccines from the border worker's & people they are living with rollout).

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/covid-19/439418/covid-19-southern-dhb-frontline-health-workers-start-to-receive-vaccine

As such there is a decent chance that there is not enough staff that have been vaccinated to run covid-19 wards, should we need them. An basically no chance that there are enough that have been fully immunized (dose, wait 3 weeks, 2nd dose, wait 1 week).

A 19th march statement from Chris Hipkins projected 6000 - 7000 daily doses being delivered this week. If this projection has come to fruition, they should cut through the 57,000 frountline (non border) health workers in a matter of weeks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/stranded-in-a-burst-transtasman-bubble-dont-expect-a-govt-handout-says-hipkins/TIYV5AWYSB3S5QZ3GEF5CBOH7I/

Sadly daily vaccination data is being withheld from the public.

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#2684754 31-Mar-2021 13:37

KrazyKid:

I think people are being way to hard on the roll-outs. They want everything up and running a full speed now and 100% vaccinated tomorrow. We (and Australia) are early on in the process.
The media love a bad news story and everything is going wrong before suddenly it was the best thing ever. This is true of any large event and the media (eg Rugby world cup).

Expectations need to be realistic by people and managed by the government.
Will it help to hear we have a stockpile of 200,000 shots of Vaccine on hand? No.

Was watching the press conf from Brisbane at lunchtime. They're pushing the point that they may go on-hold somewhat for group 1b (elderly) due supply. Don't want to start unless they have secured follow up doses.

And another nurse at the hospital.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/covid-19-global-vaccine-tracker-and-data-centre-20210128-p56xht.html

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#2684757 31-Mar-2021 13:42

Scott3:

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-ministers-get-vaccine-and-provide-update-on-rollout/2ZR4W3BKQZ4OD4ZQ3USPE5H6VE/

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#2684764 31-Mar-2021 13:52

KrazyKid:

I think people are being way to hard on the roll-outs. They want everything up and running a full speed now and 100% vaccinated tomorrow. We (and Australia) are early on in the process.
The media love a bad news story and everything is going wrong before suddenly it was the best thing ever. This is true of any large event and the media (eg Rugby world cup).

Expectations need to be realistic by people and managed by the government.
Will it help to hear we have a stockpile of 200,000 shots of Vaccine on hand? No.
No point going full steam for 2 weeks then having to stop vaccinations because we run out due to the fact that the supplier can't deliver.
I think I heard something about a shortage of vaccine world wide :) .

And as for Hospital I can guarantee that they are not all vaccinated yet - the roll out of the first shot is only just starting.

I respectfully disagree.

I think it is prudent to hold the following in a stockpile:

2nd doses for people who have already had 1st doses (Not sure the supply chain is solid enough to run just in time for these)
Cura 10k doses (5k courses) for people with urgent need for vaccination (i.e. compassionate overseas travel, new border workers etc).
7 - 10 days stock, so something like a small shipment missing a flight dosn't immediately mean we need to cancel.

Anything beyond this is excessive. I suspect we have 250k - 400k doses in stock at them moment, and the government has stopped telling the public because it is embarrassing.

I think it would be well worth racing through each of the priority tiers (next is 2a, frount line medical staff), even if we need to park the process to wait for more doses. We have enough doses in storage to do 2a, and instead having them in medical workers arm's could potentially avoid an Aussie like outbreak.

So what if we have to stop and give the vaccination staff a paid holiday. Still way cheaper to the country than a lock down.

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#2684781 31-Mar-2021 14:01

pinkydot:

Isn't MIQ have their contracts need to be renew around March or April? If not wrong there news few months ago about them said some may not want to continue become MIQ?

Maybe those operators decided to renew or they get better contracts to continue from the govt so there rooms suddenly appears?

That's a really good point, and I wonder if you've nailed it!

Most (or possibly all) MIQ contracts were ending at the end of March. The simple reality is space for April, May and June has been basically non existent and all sold out within hours when it became available.

I wonder if there is now one or more hotels that were not being sold beyond March 31 which have resigned their contracts which would explain why suddenly huge numbers of rooms are now available?

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