2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2697371 23-Apr-2021 20:11

Jase2985:

Fill up over up to 96 hours, or less dependent on size of hotel and number of arrivals. once complete the hotel will not take anyone until it has discharged all its returnees after their 14 day stay. clean hotel, repeat.

Day zero tests for flights from high risk countries, once complete they have access to exercise and smoking based on their internal cohort, still no mingling between flights for this.

Day 3 test

day 12 test

then discharge from day 14, once the returnee has spent 336 hours from touchdown in nz under MIQ.

the good bit is you don't get people who are on day 12 or something potentially catching something from someone on day zero or 1 and having to stay longer.

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From press release:

“Under the new plan, returnees arriving in New Zealand over a 96-hour window will be delivered to MIQ facilities until they are full or the 96-hour period is over.

“The facilities will then ‘lock down’ for a 14-day cycle with no additional returnees allowed until after the last of the cohort have completed their stay and the facilities have been cleaned.

The wording states that the facility will be filled (or 96hr clock timed out), then enter 'lock down' for a 14 day cycle.

So total time in MIQ could potentially be as high as 432hr, if somebody was unlucky enough to be the first person into a facility that did not fill up in 4 days...

I don't get the bit about the last of the Cohort completing. the 14 day clock doesn't start untill the 'lock down', everybody will finish at the same time...

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#2697373 23-Apr-2021 20:13

ezbee:

My read is that it seems to be another case of Hotel VENTILATION spread.
We seem to be changing our focus early this year to this, after mainly looking for surfaces.
Now our focus is upgrading Hotel ventilation as breathing/talking/singing in a 'room next door', an elevator, or next to a bin etc is all you need.

This Perth case seems to be another room to room transfer .
Pregnant nurse avoided coronavirus in UK before being infected in WA hotel quarantine - ABC News

Edit, I type therefore I typo.

The installer and or service agents for the ventilation system in any building should be able to tell the people that need to know if its possible if it is the ventilation system in about 5min.

Someone seems to think itll take a month for someone to write a report on the pullmans system, the techs should already know, or be able to figure it out in a day using as-builts.

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#2697377 23-Apr-2021 20:17

shk292:
PolicyGuy:

There was discussion sometime earlier on, about how compulsory Covid-19 vaccination would be illegal, even of Defence Force personnel.
It seems that the Chief of defence (and Defence Legal Services) disagree:

"The New Zealand Defence Force is threatening to sack service members who do not get a Covid-19 vaccination. ... Chief of Defence Force Air Marshal Kevin Short issued a stern warning to personnel on the NZDF's internal network Friday last week - get the inoculation or face consequences. ... 'Electing to not meet the baseline immunisation readiness criteria will result in a review of an individual's future service. I acknowledge that there will be a very small number of people who are unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons.' "

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/441066/defence-force-service-members-told-to-get-vaccinated-or-face-being-fired

Nothing here saying vaccination is compulsory, it’s just being added to the already quite long list of things you need to do/maintain in order to be an NZDF service member

Not compulsory, but you might not have a job there anymore if you refuse.

Sounds pretty compulsory to me.

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#2697382 23-Apr-2021 20:28

Jase2985:

i would highly doubt that.

most staff go home every night, only a few stay round the clock.

Some staff go between hotels for various reasons, normally nursing staff, and baggage handlers.

I don't think I said lock the staff in with people for 14 days along side arrivals. Crikey.

If you have a high risk loaded hotel (or 2) filled with 3 days of back to back arrivals from hotzones. It's basically the Quarantine facility by another name. You have more eggs. In a single basket. Rather than spread out.

That facility is under strict protocols where interactions with rostered staff are at a minimum due to the risks of being full of positive cases.

As proven currently, lesser treated rotations with time-mingled 'holding facilities'. Has bit us in the butt.

Having the 96hrs of arrivals in 1 place. For only 15/16 days. Will make for easier management in staff rotations also. The same staff, can be with the same arrival groups that don't change over that period.

Adding a limit to the facilities multi-site staff work at for that period. Would adjusts the potential exposure levels from prior arrangement with rolling risk.

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#2697383 23-Apr-2021 20:30

Scott3:

“The facilities will then ‘lock down’ for a 14-day cycle with no additional returnees allowed until after the last of the cohort have completed their stay and the facilities have been cleaned.

The wording states that the facility will be filled (or 96hr clock timed out), then enter 'lock down' for a 14 day cycle.

So total time in MIQ could potentially be as high as 432hr, if somebody was unlucky enough to be the first person into a facility that did not fill up in 4 days...

I don't get the bit about the last of the Cohort completing. the 14 day clock doesn't start untill the 'lock down', everybody will finish at the same time...

I dont believe that is correct, unless they have changed the health order forcing people to stay longer than the 14 days.

the purpose is to prevent a large gap between the first and last arrivals

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#2697384 23-Apr-2021 20:37

Oblivian:

I don't think I said lock the staff in with people for 14 days along side arrivals. Crikey.

Adding a limit to the facilities multi-site staff work at for that period. Would adjusts the potential exposure levels from prior arrangement with rolling risk.

no you didn't, i was just point on what happens currently.

people do go between facilities for what ever reason, be it short staffing, requirement for extra staff for a large arrival, baggage handlers for a large flight etc. i don't think there is currently enough workers to address any of those shortfalls. and i don't think that's likely to change. its just important that these peoples testing status is known.

I believe MOH/DHB is going to 7 day testing now.

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#2697386 23-Apr-2021 20:41

Daynger:
Not compulsory, but you might not have a job there anymore if you refuse.

Sounds pretty compulsory to me.

Not at all, it’s just the same as maintaining a security clearance, avoiding a criminal record, having regular medical and dental treatment, passing a fitness test and being in date for all the other vaccinations. We don’t have to do any of it, but they are conditions of being in the service because they make the difference between someone who is deployable (useful) and someone who isn’t

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#2697388 23-Apr-2021 20:53

Scott3:

“The facilities will then ‘lock down’ for a 14-day cycle with no additional returnees allowed until after the last of the cohort have completed their stay and the facilities have been cleaned.

The wording states that the facility will be filled (or 96hr clock timed out), then enter 'lock down' for a 14 day cycle.

So total time in MIQ could potentially be as high as 432hr, if somebody was unlucky enough to be the first person into a facility that did not fill up in 4 days...

I don't get the bit about the last of the Cohort completing. the 14 day clock doesn't start untill the 'lock down', everybody will finish at the same time...

I how-I-interpret doodle. Current situation on left, new on right. Think 'bubbles' within bubbles.

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#2697392 23-Apr-2021 21:12

Looks like it will be a quiet ANZAC day for Perth

Perth lockdown for three days will see Anzac Day services cancelled, residents urged to stay indoors - ABC News

Hopefully it all works out ok.

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#2697397 23-Apr-2021 21:31

shk292:
Daynger:

Not compulsory, but you might not have a job there anymore if you refuse.

Sounds pretty compulsory to me.

Not at all, it’s just the same as maintaining a security clearance, avoiding a criminal record, having regular medical and dental treatment, passing a fitness test and being in date for all the other vaccinations. We don’t have to do any of it, but they are conditions of being in the service because they make the difference between someone who is deployable (useful) and someone who isn’t

Due to my age I do not deploy. But I still fulfill the basic fitness and medical requirements to stay employable by the NZDF. So technically I don't have to meet the deployable vaccination regime. But of course for my general health I will take the vaccinations available.

So for my particular role (and many others) having a CV-19 vaccine is not a necessity and would not affect my employment in the NZDF, for a 20 year old army person with no specific skill sets it would certainly be an issue.

So it's not mandatory by any means.

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#2697398 23-Apr-2021 21:33

ezbee:

Looks like it will be a quiet ANZAC day for Perth

Perth lockdown for three days will see Anzac Day services cancelled, residents urged to stay indoors - ABC News

Hopefully it all works out ok.

Bubble paused

Air NZ Flight PER-AKL tonight will not fly passengers to remain in WA

"Quarantine-free travel between New Zealand and Western Australia has been paused after a three-day lockdown was announced in Perth and the Peel region, Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/441121/wa-announces-three-day-lockdown

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#2697468 24-Apr-2021 08:37

From Sydney Morning Herald:

Infection control experts call for an end to hotel quarantine in Australia

The Australian Medical Association WA president Andrew Miller said the latest outbreak was not “bad luck” but “all bad management”, saying there had long been warnings that coronavirus travels in the air and that these hotels were not fit for purpose.

Amid the regular leaks from hotel quarantine – including similar recent cases of guest-to-guest transmission in NSW – there is growing urgency in calls to establish dedicated quarantine stations similar to Howards Springs in the Northern Territory as a safer form of housing returned travellers.

“Given that we likely to need quarantine for at least the rest of this year and it could well be part of our reality for next year as well, the quicker that some sort of facilities could be stood up around the country, the better.

Philip Russo, Australasian College for Infection Prevention and Control president, said high-rise hotels were never designed as quarantine stations. He said the multi-storey design meant there had to be more support staff on each level, increasing the risk of exposure to COVID-19.

“We’ve seen detrimental effects on people’s mental health and well being,” he said.

Associate Professor Russo said every state should consider establishing a dedicated quarantine station “sooner rather than later”.

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#2697469 24-Apr-2021 08:46

Funny thing was this guy who is a sailor who admits has very little medical knowledge explained before the pandemic actually declared who covid is spread. Including ventilation systems.

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#2697472 24-Apr-2021 09:20

According to a report I watched on NBC last night uptake of the vaccine is already slowing in the US with only around 27% of the population vaccinated. Apparently supply will exceed demand in the next few days/weeks.

Doesn't sound promising.

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#2697545 24-Apr-2021 12:51

SJB:

According to a report I watched on NBC last night uptake of the vaccine is already slowing in the US with only around 27% of the population vaccinated. Apparently supply will exceed demand in the next few days/weeks.

Doesn't sound promising.

This has some nice graphics to illustrate the point , though vaccination rate varies a lot state to state.
This gets updated as numbers change each day.
Slope of the first graphic does seem to be tailing off a bit.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/01/14/covid-vaccine-distribution-by-state-how-many-covid-vaccines-have-been-given-in-us-how-many-people/6599531002/

Under 18s are 22% of total population thus the trial to get approvals for younger groups.
Everyone wil need this to get up to total populations needed , to allow for those that can't be vaccinated and others.

Those that have 1 shot are as high as 41% though, hopefully they get almost all back for second.

Enthusiasm for J&J was very high as a 1 shot deal, and no special storage.
Easier for those that are not hesitant, so much as the don't like needles.

I'm sure if there is excess vaccine other countries would love to get it, but hopefully things get back on track.

Mexico and Canada could do with a bit of help.

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