2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2734842 26-Jun-2021 08:09

tehgerbil:

Just heard from Bloomfield they're still waiting to hear from the useless Aussies if it was the Delta strain. Honestly, how the hell is taking days to get a genomic sequence back when we've had them reported within 24 hours previously.

An entire country is waiting for this info, you'd like to think it's a priority...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-wellington-positive-traveller-from-sydney-confirmed-as-highly-contagious-delta-variant/E3HPZT62H7KV5QSI2GVLHOMUZQ/

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#2734843 26-Jun-2021 08:15

sbiddle:

Fiji also appear to have a problem with people not wanting to be vaccinated - there are people talking about it being unwanted Australian vaccines and they're scared of the problems with AZ which were fueled by the Australian media.. Of course totally ignoring the fact Pfizer is totally unsuitable to their environment.

To be fair, it's technically the truth that it's "unwanted Australian vaccines" and what the Australian media reported was exacerbated by the messaging from Australian authorities.

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#2734852 26-Jun-2021 08:37

You can't tell a lot from that Israel story, it's very short on actual facts.

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#2734856 26-Jun-2021 08:40

Good overview of the Sydney breakout NSW COVID lockdown: How Sydney’s outbreak got out of control (smh.com.au)

It really does show we're just sitting ducks with such a low level of vaccination. At least with Australia having 1st dose figures to twice the population percentage to us they have some added protection - and we're potentially lucky that the Australian tourist had a single jab, because that could have been enough to prevent transmission from occurring.

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#2734860 26-Jun-2021 08:58

Did we have any choices with vaccination? From what Ive heard the last few days, we are ahead of the rollout. Pfizer have delivered, on time, the orders they said we will get. We are running low, and we get a bunch in July and afterwards. It doesn't seem that we are overstocked and under delivering. The only criticism I can see is that we seem to have not bothered with the other brands, which have issues and varying effectiveness and we stayed with the best option. Given where we are at, its not desperate here yet. Had we avoided this now failed bubble, the rollout would probably not be newsworthy to most people.

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#2734863 26-Jun-2021 09:16

tdgeek:

Did we have any choices with vaccination? From what Ive heard the last few days, we are ahead of the rollout. Pfizer have delivered, on time, the orders they said we will get. We are running low, and we get a bunch in July and afterwards. It doesn't seem that we are overstocked and under delivering. The only criticism I can see is that we seem to have not bothered with the other brands, which have issues and varying effectiveness and we stayed with the best option. Given where we are at, its not desperate here yet. Had we avoided this now failed bubble, the rollout would probably not be newsworthy to most people.

The biggest unknown at this point (and I hope somebody in the media does ask the question) is whether we were offered the same deal as Australia in July last year - all the Pfizer we wanted from January. There has been some talk out of Australia that both countries were offered the deal, and we know Australia turned it down. At that point both countries were looking to follow the same vaccine strategy.

It's not hard to be "ahead" in the rollout when numbers are so low. Even Australia is way ahead of us and the slow rollout there is just about taking down the government. We could have been giving all of our elderly AZ by now from the supplies but have chosen not to.

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#2734864 26-Jun-2021 09:19

sbiddle:

The biggest unknown at this point (and I hope somebody in the media does ask the question) is whether we were offered the same deal as Australia in July last year - all the Pfizer we wanted from January. There has been some talk out of Australia that both countries were offered the deal, and we know Australia turned it down. At that point both countries were looking to follow the same vaccine strategy.

It's not hard to be "ahead" in the rollout when numbers are so low. Even Australia is way ahead of us and the slow rollout there is just about taking down the government.

Thanks for the clarification re the deal. I also thought AUS would manufacture for us? Maybe I heard that wrong.

Re the rollout, as I see it we can only rollout the supply we have, which is now low until the July arrival.

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#2734866 26-Jun-2021 09:35

tdgeek:
Did we have any choices with vaccination? From what Ive heard the last few days, we are ahead of the rollout. Pfizer have delivered, on time, the orders they said we will get. We are running low, and we get a bunch in July and afterwards. It doesn't seem that we are overstocked and under delivering. The only criticism I can see is that we seem to have not bothered with the other brands, which have issues and varying effectiveness and we stayed with the best option. Given where we are at, its not desperate here yet. Had we avoided this now failed bubble, the rollout would probably not be newsworthy to most people.

Yes there are other vaccines around

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#2734875 26-Jun-2021 09:46

Just read an article that stated that in LA County 99.8% of Covid deaths in recent months are unvaccinated people.
Shows the value of vaccination on case there was any doubt

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/pandemic-of-unvaccinated-people-nearly-100-of-l-a-countys-covid-deaths-among-unvaccinated-as-delta-variant-spreads

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#2734877 26-Jun-2021 09:55

@sbiddle:

Good overview of the Sydney breakout NSW COVID lockdown: How Sydney’s outbreak got out of control (smh.com.au)

It really does show we're just sitting ducks with such a low level of vaccination. At least with Australia having 1st dose figures to twice the population percentage to us they have some added protection - and we're potentially lucky that the Australian tourist had a single jab, because that could have been enough to prevent transmission from occurring.

"People in the eastern suburbs were put on high alert."

As if Sydney suburbs were distant from each other and people didn't move around to work, dine and party. By the time they had to put these suburbs in "high alert" was probably too late.

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#2734880 26-Jun-2021 10:08

tdgeek:

Thanks for the clarification re the deal. I also thought AUS would manufacture for us? Maybe I heard that wrong.

Re the rollout, as I see it we can only rollout the supply we have, which is now low until the July arrival.

Both Australia and NZ had put a lot of faith in the UQ (University of Queensland) vaccine which ended up having to be pulled in December last year. CSL already had a long standing contract with NZ to supply vaccines in a pandemic, and this was seen as a low cost solution for both countries. When the trial for this was abandoned CSL had already started manufacturing AZ in Australia and Australia saw this as their saving grace.

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#2734989 26-Jun-2021 12:56

sbiddle:

We could have been giving all of our elderly AZ by now from the supplies but have chosen not to.

At the time the decisions were being made here, there was only very limited data from Phase III trials on the efficacy of the AZ vaccine in over 65 age group.

In fact it wasn't until February this year that WHO endorsed use of that vaccine in over 65 YOs. If the UK "went the way they did" then the immediate demands of the situation they were in was entirely different to NZ's situation.

The Phase III trails for the Pfizer vaccine were carried out on 65-74 and 75+ age groups, showing very high efficacy.

The Pfizer vaccine is quantifiably better - I'm very confident NZ made exactly the right decision at the right time based on the best data available.

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#2734990 26-Jun-2021 12:59

No CT cases in NZ overnight. I think it's going to be okay - luck was on our side.

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#2734995 26-Jun-2021 13:09

29 new cases in Sydney.

They're losing the race, many new exposure sites outside the "lockdown" areas.

Gladys Berejiklian dithering, Morrison flayed Victoria for "overreacting" with lockdowns in Melbourne (but it worked), hence great reluctance by NSW Liberals to officially "lock down" in Sydney. "But we were wrong" isn't something politicians like to admit.

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#2734999 26-Jun-2021 13:21

freitasm:

As if Sydney suburbs were distant from each other and people didn't move around to work, dine and party. By the time they had to put these suburbs in "high alert" was probably too late.

Exactly.

The policy of having people in the locked down "LGA" areas only confined to not travel out of the "Metropolitan Sydney" area is incredibly dumb and naive. 5+ million people in that area, they're sitting ducks.

She's asking people across Sydney to "apply common sense" and "minimise movements".

There's not one example from anywhere in the world where "voluntary compliance" with containment measures has worked.

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