2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2735093 26-Jun-2021 16:29

Rikkitic:

Watching ABC. Sydney locked down. Everyone must stay home with exceptions for specific purposes allowed.

About time.
All they have done by delaying the lockdown is cost businesses more, potentailly cost more lives, and ensure they stay in lockdown for longer to stamp it out. Hope they don't come out too early.

Also with new cases popping up around Oz, I hope the bubble will be closed very soon, otherwise we are just playing russian roulette. It has already cost Wellington millions.

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#2735094 26-Jun-2021 16:34

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This is what lockdowns are for. Some people don't follow directions and lie. This is a very contagious strain, and it is winter. A bubble with a country that has growing CT is a very bad idea for NZ. Lockdowns force everyone to do the right thing. NSW delayed lockdown, and didn't learn from Melbourne in 2020. Huge costly mistake, and also meant that NZ was badly affected too with this case in Wgtn.

It is just such a mess of inconsistencies.

NSW didn't really delay their lockdown any longer than Victoria did 3 weeks ago. They had total faith in their contact tracing, and their contact tracing worked. There becomes a point however where it's clear that contact tracing is insufficient to contain the spread.

All of this just further emphasises the truly massive risk to NZ from the lack of vaccines here. We're not winning at this despite thinking we are, and we're going need every single piece of luck possible to avoid the exact same situation happening in NZ, and right now when we've (seemingly) played Russian roulette for the umteenth time and once again won the reality is we all have to be prepared for this very scenario to happen here.

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#2735100 26-Jun-2021 17:11

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mattwnz:

This is what lockdowns are for. Some people don't follow directions and lie. This is a very contagious strain, and it is winter. A bubble with a country that has growing CT is a very bad idea for NZ. Lockdowns force everyone to do the right thing. NSW delayed lockdown, and didn't learn from Melbourne in 2020. Huge costly mistake, and also meant that NZ was badly affected too with this case in Wgtn.

It is just such a mess of inconsistencies.

NSW didn't really delay their lockdown any longer than Victoria did 3 weeks ago. They had total faith in their contact tracing, and their contact tracing worked. There becomes a point however where it's clear that contact tracing is insufficient to contain the spread.

All of this just further emphasises the truly massive risk to NZ from the lack of vaccines here. We're not winning at this despite thinking we are, and we're going need every single piece of luck possible to avoid the exact same situation happening in NZ, and right now when we've (seemingly) played Russian roulette for the umteenth time and once again won the reality is we all have to be prepared for this very scenario to happen here.

Yep. The vaccine rollout is too slow. No amount of banging on about it on Twitter and here will get to the bottom of whether the Government turned down Pfizer or Pfizer couldn't deliver. In either case the Government won't plant the blame on Pfizer and it is time to move on. The rollout will happen when it happens.

Good to see Singapore stating it's plan.... I wouldn't call it surprising. The conversation needs to happen here soon also. I am picking it will be timed with the bulk of the vaccine arriving.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-virus/EKXDOTWZYMUGFRRMF553CH2T5U/

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#2735103 26-Jun-2021 17:19

sbiddle:

mattwnz:

This is what lockdowns are for. Some people don't follow directions and lie. This is a very contagious strain, and it is winter. A bubble with a country that has growing CT is a very bad idea for NZ. Lockdowns force everyone to do the right thing. NSW delayed lockdown, and didn't learn from Melbourne in 2020. Huge costly mistake, and also meant that NZ was badly affected too with this case in Wgtn.

It is just such a mess of inconsistencies.

NSW didn't really delay their lockdown any longer than Victoria did 3 weeks ago. They had total faith in their contact tracing, and their contact tracing worked. There becomes a point however where it's clear that contact tracing is insufficient to contain the spread.

All of this just further emphasises the truly massive risk to NZ from the lack of vaccines here. We're not winning at this despite thinking we are, and we're going need every single piece of luck possible to avoid the exact same situation happening in NZ, and right now when we've (seemingly) played Russian roulette for the umteenth time and once again won the reality is we all have to be prepared for this very scenario to happen here.

True, but Victoria too were pretty slow IMO. NSW could have learnt from Victoria both in 2020 and 21. They are relying on logic and contact tracing, but not everyone tells the truth where they have been, or follows rules

Vaccination is obviously the key. It is interesting to watch the US waking up from the virus and getting back to normal life, which shows the major difference. A little concerned about the UK though with the growth of cases, considering their vaccination program is quite advanced.

I can see NZ getting to a point where there will be people who refuse to be vaccinated and we will get stuck at around 70%

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#2735104 26-Jun-2021 17:20

when will Singapore open up?

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#2735105 26-Jun-2021 17:24

They haven't named a date but said that vaccination is crucial. It will be treated the same as the flu. No daily numbers, no quarantine but talks about perhaps lots of testing.

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#2735109 26-Jun-2021 17:47

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Positive case found in a worker in a gold mine in the middle of the NT.

It's in the middle of nowhere, worker camp with a few hundred people surrounded by hundreds of mile of nothing.

It's being reported that the worker contracted C-19 in Brisbane. "How?' will be the big question.

Big oops.

The guy travelled from Bendigo Vic via Brisbane on the 17th. If he picked it up in Vic, it was the Delta variant.

900 "close contacts" who were at the mine when he could have been infectious are off-roster and have scattered home across Australia, 750 workers currently on roster at the mine, 70 considered close contacts - at least they know where they are.

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#2735110 26-Jun-2021 17:51

I wonder if some of them live in NZ and have come back here during their time off?

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#2735111 26-Jun-2021 17:52

More information: Sydney lockdown restrictions: What are they? (smh.com.au)

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#2735113 26-Jun-2021 17:56

Not sure I get the sustained bleating on about the slow roll out of NZs vaccination program. If someone knows of a stockpile of Pfizer we can get and are more deserving of than some other country, speak up.

Did I see correctly that Fijians are avoiding/rejecting the AZ vaccine donated to them, so it will also be a real hard sell in NZ.

I don't think we have control over how fast we can get extra Pfizer vaccine above our allocation. We do have control over travel bubbles and MIQ. Just use them.

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#2735119 26-Jun-2021 18:08

sbiddle:

NSW didn't really delay their lockdown any longer than Victoria did 3 weeks ago.

Yes they did. Vic went into statewide lockdown when 11 new cases took their total CT cases to 26.

Sydney now has 82 cases - and they're scattered across the city. Days matter. They should have locked down days ago.

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#2735121 26-Jun-2021 18:09

Buster:

Not sure I get the sustained bleating on about the slow roll out of NZs vaccination program.

I do. It's purely political - not fact/situation based.

It was never going to be like Israel or the UK, for obvious reasons.

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#2735126 26-Jun-2021 18:19

Fred99:

Buster:

Not sure I get the sustained bleating on about the slow roll out of NZs vaccination program.

I do. It's purely political - not fact/situation based.

It was never going to be like Israel or the UK, for obvious reasons.

Well we don't know that. We know now that Australia had been offered Pfizer for the whole country in July last year for January delivery and turned that down. Was New Zealand offered the same deal?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and yes it is political, but if the govt would just own the slow rollout rather than constant denying it then people mightn't beat on about it so often.

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#2735131 26-Jun-2021 18:33

Fred99:

sbiddle:

NSW didn't really delay their lockdown any longer than Victoria did 3 weeks ago.

Yes they did. Vic went into statewide lockdown when 11 new cases took their total CT cases to 26.

Sydney now has 82 cases - and they're scattered across the city. Days matter. They should have locked down days ago.

It is also the fact that they are up to 2 weeks behind, as it can take up to 2 weeks to show symptoms. So there are likely significantly more infected. I remember when NZ locked down, the days afterwards we got a lot of new cases a day for the next few weeks. So I wouldn't be surprised if there are 500 or more infected by now prior to the lockdown, but the virus has yet to take effect on them.

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#2735132 26-Jun-2021 18:36

Fred99:

No CT cases in NZ overnight. I think it's going to be okay - luck was on our side.

I wouldnt be celebrating just yet.

On the news last night they were championing no cases then revealed only 500 of the 2500 people had been tested.

I would say sewerage samples over the country would be getting some really close analysis, they usually take two days i think has been mentioned in the past.

It would be lovely to have dodged yet another bullet, but i dont think we are out of the matrix just yet.

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