2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2750385 27-Jul-2021 09:54

South Australia's "double-ring fencing" strategy potentially saved the state from a prolonged lockdown?

(both primary and secondary contacts quarantined)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/what-is-the-sa-double-ring-fencing-approach-to-covid/100323140

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#2750444 27-Jul-2021 10:32

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sbiddle:

RNZ are really on the attack this morning trying to destroy the credibility of the Manukau mass vaccination event

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/447761/auckland-covid-19-mass-vaccination-health-officials-scramble-to-fill-places

Their news and commentary on the radio isn't much better and I'm puzzled as to what they're trying to achieve in creating the news rather than simply reporting the news. Their reporting of this reminds me so much of the Australian media who did such a successful job destroying the credibility of the AZ vaccine.

As a proof of concept for a mass vaccination event maybe the location and target audience for this was not perfect but this type of reporting by the media is exactly what we don't want in this country.

I agree, but it is curious why take up was so low. Apart from the obvious weekend activity interruption, maybe people assumed it will be a turn up and wait for ages deal?

10 of these each weekend in main centres would be a nice boost

It will be interesting to find out the real reason for the low booking turn out:

People being concerned about it being being a very time consuming process. Lets face it, having health checks done at MIT then busing everybody to the vodafone event center, vaccinating them, then busing them back seems to be a strange and time consuming decision given the Vodafone event center has a 700 space car-park. Could just run a couple of vans or small buses in loops for those arriving to the MIT train station.
Concern about risk / issues with it being the first such event.
Issues with booking process or invites.
Clashes with other weekend activities.
Issues with transport.
Preference to wait until walk in events are held.
Preference to wait until their GP's offer the vaccine.
Vaccine hesitancy.
Not willing to make a special trip for vaccination.
Already vaccinated

Personally I guess that a lot of people aren't opposed to being vaccinated, but aren't going to go out change their weekend plans to do so. NZ's current covid-19 free status means there isn't a real need to hurry. Hopefully these people will be picked up in 3 months or so when walk in vaccinations are widely offered. And of course there will be a big rush when NZ has an outbreak, or announces re-opening out international borders to vaccinated travelers isolation free.

From the USA it sounded like pharmacies and GP's were giving out a lot of doses, by simply asking if people had been vaccinated yet when they are there of other reasons, and if they answer no, saying they have doses they need used up, and no wait time for the injection right now.

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#2750453 27-Jul-2021 10:53

empacher48:

If it is anything like my local community, people don’t want to get the vaccine “because the borders are closed and we don’t have any COVID in NZ”. As I have been told by more than one person, “I would get the vaccine if we had it here, since we don’t have it I don’t see any point.”

Basically the same reason I’m given why people don’t scan when going to other locations.

A down side of our own success, perhaps?

Of course, by then it'll be far too late. Same with scanning. People start scanning when cases pop up, but they're 1-2 weeks too slow (unless they have a time machine ofc)

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#2750457 27-Jul-2021 11:03

gzt: Vaxxed recently. I was coincidentally at a pharmacy near closing time. A staff member approached me and said the centre next door had leftover shots. Apparently they start the day with more than they need, to cover any random breakage and things like that. Vaxxed. Sore arm the next day for a few hours. That's all. Next shot in three weeks.

May be worth considering a longer gap between doses?

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/spacing-pfizer-covid-shots-boosts-antibody-levels-after-initial-drop-study-2021-07-22/

When I had mine I requested (& got) a six week gap. Second dose now due in a week. After this article, perhaps eight weeks would have been better ...

Preprint on which the article above seems to be based is as below (but not a light read).

https://www.pitch-study.org/

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#2750459 27-Jul-2021 11:13

DS248:

May be worth considering a longer gap between doses?

Yes, there is certainly lots of things pointing toward a longer gap generating better long term antibody levels....

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#2750460 27-Jul-2021 11:20

On the 3rd of July, I received a Txt confirming that I am part of Group 3.

Advising: I will be contacted again by the end of July to book my vaccination, and to wait for my invitation.

Signed off with "Thanks for your patience."

Nothing heard since.

So many mixed messages...wait...phone...don't...rinse and repeat!

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#2750465 27-Jul-2021 11:33

msukiwi:
On the 3rd of July, I received a Txt confirming that I am part of Group 3.

Advising: I will be contacted again by the end of July to book my vaccination, and to wait for my invitation.

Signed off with "Thanks for your patience."

Nothing heard since.

So many mixed messages...wait...phone...don't...rinse and repeat!

Thats the dhb

There is an active radio campaign since last week. If you are in 3. You ring the 0800 and book at your leisure.

That's the invite.

From wed, group 4 can. And on web. So errr.. call today.

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#2750516 27-Jul-2021 11:40

Oblivian:
Thats the dhb

There is an active radio campaign since last week. If you are in 3. You ring the 0800 and book at your leisure.

That's the invite.

From wed, group 4 can. And on web. So errr.. call today.

You meant CDHB?

I got the same text, then got an invite text on 12 July with the link to fill in online, done

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#2750571 27-Jul-2021 11:52

tdgeek:
Oblivian:
Thats the dhb

There is an active radio campaign since last week. If you are in 3. You ring the 0800 and book at your leisure.

That's the invite.

From wed, group 4 can. And on web. So errr.. call today.

You meant CDHB?

I got the same text, then got an invite text on 12 July with the link to fill in online, done

Left it vague, cause it's a lottery as to the dhbs doing it right.

But yeah, cdhb.. hit and miss.

That Tues/wed txt push seemed to be to step inline after the press conference and MoH pressure as no cdhb members had appeared to have been asked. Few days later, everyone (with registered details) had.

/Edit. Read now 37,000 have called since Friday

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#2750581 27-Jul-2021 12:15

Yet another case of infection in hotel quarantine

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/covid-qld-zero-cases-genome-sequencing-hotel-quarantine/100321162

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#2750582 27-Jul-2021 12:23

DS248:

South Australia's "double-ring fencing" strategy potentially saved the state from a prolonged lockdown?

(both primary and secondary contacts quarantined)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/what-is-the-sa-double-ring-fencing-approach-to-covid/100323140

good stuff. we should learn from that.

what does one call the NSW strategy?

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#2750584 27-Jul-2021 12:26

DS248:

Yet another case of infection in hotel quarantine

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/covid-qld-zero-cases-genome-sequencing-hotel-quarantine/100321162

this really highlights how archaic our central air conditioning/ ventilations standards are.

i think planes are much superior. i can't recall a single infection caught on a plane - i'm sure there are but they are almost unheard of. is that because of lack of tracing back to flights vs superior ventilation

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#2750591 27-Jul-2021 12:49

Batman:

this really highlights how archaic our central air conditioning/ ventilations standards are.

i think planes are much superior. i can't recall a single infection caught on a plane - i'm sure there are but they are almost unheard of. is that because of lack of tracing back to flights vs superior ventilation

Don't buy into the aviation's industries PR.

They used that line a lot early in the pandemic, despite contact tracing at that stage not being good enough to identify source of most transmission. And despite proof that the previous SARS virus had been transmitted on planes.

They widely hyped their hospital grade (HEPA) filtration as a reason not to worry about planes, despite evidence of covid-19 transmission in hospitals (which also have hospital grade transmission.

Below is an article covering transmisison of covid-19 on a plane.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/how-covid-19-spread-on-a-flight-to-nz

Regarding hotel ventilation, "Archaic" is a bit of a stretch. They are designed to prioritise stuff like comfort, and energy efficiency, and are not designed reduce the transmission of airborne viruses. For the latter goal, you wouldn't set the system up to suck air between spaces (hallway into rooms), and you would set it up for heaps of air changes per hour.

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#2750598 27-Jul-2021 12:56

Front page of the ODT this morning was a sob story about not being able to get out of NSW

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/north-otago/no-way-out-nsw-no-answers

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#2750673 27-Jul-2021 13:22

wellygary:

DS248:

May be worth considering a longer gap between doses?

Yes, there is certainly lots of things pointing toward a longer gap generating better long term antibody levels....

It's worth noting that in general, for many existing (non Covid) vaccines that longer gaps between vaccine doses is always better. There are many vaccines out there given with a duration on say 6 months between doses.

Covid is an pandemic that we're trying to beat, so it's a case of weighting up potentially better immune responses vs having a fully vaccinated population.

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