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#2751946 29-Jul-2021 19:54

Fred99: The NSW police commissioner has requested assistance from the Australia Defence Force. The reaction from the dicks who intend to have public rallies for "freedumb" will be interesting. Having to call in the army to keep your citizens under control isn't something seen very often in our countries.

I've cut someone I know in Australia loose on Facebook today because of their continual espousal of freedumb over the last wee while and constant moaning that people (not me) were labelling them a conspiracy theorist. I think the reaction of this particular person, and many others of a like mind will be "See, the government is bringing in martial law just like we said they would. Our freedumb will be gone forever..."

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#2752038 29-Jul-2021 21:35

Daynger:
I havnt had a message but i should have been group 3, i have asthma and very occasionally work airside at the airport in departures.

My partner is under 60 and has no conditions but they booked her for the same days as me.

You no longer need to wait for a message. and anyone working intl airside or with agencies who do, is now in the same boat

Online or 0800 it, like.. now.

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#2752043 29-Jul-2021 22:04

Fred99:
Interesting that it can all be traced back to one index case who's work it was to drive (infected) American air crew from the airport to a hotel, and chose to be neither vaccinated or to wear PPE.

I feel sorry for him, while I'm sure he'll be deeply regretting what's happened because he did not do what he could or should have done, he should not have been "allowed" to do the incredibly stupid things he did. He could not be prosecuted because he did not break any laws. He is just a cab driver - not an expert on disease transmission. Whoever was in charge of that part of their pandemic response is ultimately culpable, probably politicians, and the only way they could be held to account for their negligence is at the polls. In these days where parts of the media ("most of" in Australia) seem to be so partisan, I don't expect that's going to happen.

Then there's the ongoing completely botched response since the moment CT was first detected. Gladys Berejiklian is (or was) a popular premier, but her party had a very small majority in NSW. They depended on support from the Nationals, the Nationals are quite hard right-wing, they'd already threatened in the past to cross the floor to take down bills that concerned protecting "the environment".

(apologies - politics - but they matter)

I thought there was pretty strong evidence that taxi driver wasn't the index case despite the authorities saying he was. There was a news article about it a while back. I had a quick look just now but couldn't find it.

I'm not debating whether or not he helped spread it just the fact he was the index case.

I'm not sure our contact tracing has been all that flash either if you recall how poor it was tracing one of the Auckland clusters. We were lucky that wasn't the Delta variant.

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#2752046 29-Jul-2021 22:11

Technofreak:

I thought there was pretty strong evidence that taxi driver wasn't the index case despite the authorities saying he was. There was a news article about it a while back. I had a quick look just now but couldn't find it.

Yeah - the Australians seem to love their covid scapegoats, even having newspapers make them easily identifiable. As his family point out, he in fact did wear a mask (and gloves, and sanitised his vehicle between passengers), and more to the point, all of his passengers were tested and none of them had covid. It's much more likely that he caught the virus outside of work but was identified first as he had to have frequent testing. They wanted a quick answer as to where it came from and he ended up in the firing line, and having multiple police investigations into his conduct.

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#2752061 29-Jul-2021 22:58

Oblivian:
Daynger:

I havnt had a message but i should have been group 3, i have asthma and very occasionally work airside at the airport in departures.

My partner is under 60 and has no conditions but they booked her for the same days as me.

You no longer need to wait for a message. and anyone working intl airside or with agencies who do, is now in the same boat

Online or 0800 it, like.. now.

Further up the thread i stated i already have, booked in for the first 5G signal boost on Tuesday.

Will let you all know if i suddenly have a hankering for some tasty human brains.

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#2752085 29-Jul-2021 23:32

Daynger:

Further up the thread i stated i already have, booked in for the first 5G signal boost on Tuesday.

Will let you all know if i suddenly have a hankering for some tasty human brains.

Obviously not your fault, but it is pretty disappointing that somebody who does airside work at the airport and is keen to be vaccinated is only getting picked up now in the vaccination program. I thought you would have been considered group 1...

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#2752087 29-Jul-2021 23:51

Scott3:
Daynger:

Further up the thread i stated i already have, booked in for the first 5G signal boost on Tuesday.

Will let you all know if i suddenly have a hankering for some tasty human brains.

Obviously not your fault, but it is pretty disappointing that somebody who does airside work at the airport and is keen to be vaccinated is only getting picked up now in the vaccination program. I thought you would have been considered group 1...

There was a vaccination centre in the Auckland International terminal a month or three back for all airport workers. All you had to do was rock up with your airport ID, no appointment necessary. Hard to figure out why it wasn't done then unless your employer wasn't on the ball in getting the info to the staff.

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#2752115 30-Jul-2021 00:33

I could have probably gone and got it then but i didnt realise.

I only occasionally go to the airport too, once every couple of months and havnt been until the shop i look after reopened airside which would have been around a year or so.

Also, its airside departures, so a much lower risk than arrivals.

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#2752126 30-Jul-2021 06:53

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/jul/29/coronavirus-live-news-fears-in-japan-after-record-case-rise-cambodia-locks-down-provinces-bordering-thailand

Today so far...

Campaigners said the global vaccine rollout may represent “the most lethal profiteering in history”, as the People’s Vaccine Alliance published an analysis suggesting pharmaceutical companies are charging at least five times above cost price. More than 4bn doses of Covid vaccines have now been administered around the world, eight months after the vaccination drive started, according to an AFP count, but distribution has been extremely skewed towards wealthier countries.

Israel is to begin offering a third shot of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine to people over 60, local media said. The campaign will in effect turn Israel into a testing ground for the companies’ booster, which is likely to seek approval from the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), amid significantly waning efficacy of the jabs.

The British pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca has said it is considering its future in the vaccine market after it Covid jab generated $1.2bn in sales in the first half of the year, with quarterly sales tripling. They had decided to make the jab available at cost, after entering into an exclusive licensing agreement with Oxford University, who initially sought to work with manufacturers to produce without paying royalties.

Pakistan is to controversially ban air travel for anyone without a Covid-19 vaccine certificate from August and will require all public sector workers to get vaccinated by the end of next month, the government announced along with a host of other draconian restrictions. From 31 August, unvaccinated staff will no longer be allowed to enter government offices, schools, restaurants or shopping malls.

A “substantial chunk” of 9m Covid jab doses to be donated by the UK to developing states in the coming weeks expire at the end of September, “setting up African countries to fail”. Dr Ayoade Alakija, co-chair of the Africa Union Vaccine Delivery Alliance, said the donations were comparable to a “Trojan horse” and that “the limited shelf life could actually be detrimental to all of our efforts to contain this pandemic”.

The Biden administration announced it will allow a nationwide ban on evictions to end on Saturday, claiming that its hands are tied after the supreme court signalled it would only be extended until the end of the month - putting millions at risk of eviction amid a sluggish distribution of promised support funds.

Health authorities in China set up checkpoints and reportedly suspended flights in the eastern city of Nanjing in the country’s worst coronavirus emergency in months. More than 170 people have been diagnosed with the Delta variant in the past 10 days.

The Philippine president, Rodrigo Duterte, said officials should detain those who refuse to be vaccinated against Covid inside their homes. Legal experts said the move would be unconstitutional and reflected his “militaristic mindset”, after Duterte claimed responding to the pandemic was more important than laws guaranteeing freedom of movement

An alleged Sydney anti-lockdown protester accused of punching a police horse will remain behind bars after refusing a Covid test that was a prerequiste for him to appear in court. His barrister, Hollie Blake, claimed in court that corrective services officers were making it impossible to gain access to her client.

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#2752127 30-Jul-2021 06:55

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/29/thailand-bangkok-warehouse-turned-into-1800-bed-hospital-as-covid-crisis-worsens

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#2752128 30-Jul-2021 06:56

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jul/29/olympic-athletes-fear-domino-effect-as-pole-vaulters-test-positive-for-covid

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#2752131 30-Jul-2021 07:18

Scott3:

Daynger:

Further up the thread i stated i already have, booked in for the first 5G signal boost on Tuesday.

Will let you all know if i suddenly have a hankering for some tasty human brains.

Obviously not your fault, but it is pretty disappointing that somebody who does airside work at the airport and is keen to be vaccinated is only getting picked up now in the vaccination program. I thought you would have been considered group 1...

Privately employed individuals working at the airport (in places such as retail shops) where not part of group 1. Most of these people were only dealt with from late June onwards when the govt finally did something about this. From memory you need to have now had your first jab by late September.

There were also gaping holes in eligibility for lots of people who were not directly employeed by an airline, airport or the govt but had a need to be in a MIQ or border location for the purposes of things such as maintenance.

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#2752136 30-Jul-2021 07:33

I hadn't looked at this study for a month or so, and the numbers have grown significantly. It shows estimated percentages for antibodies across the UK

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyantibodyandvaccinationdatafortheuk/21july2021

This is the latest release of the data (while published on the 21st July, the data lags behind so will be even higher now)

Main points

In England, it is estimated that around 9 in 10 adults, or 91.9% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 90.5% to 93.0%) would have tested positive for antibodies against coronavirus (COVID-19) - SARS-CoV-2 - on a blood test in the week beginning 28 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.

In Wales, it is estimated that around 9 in 10 adults, or 92.6% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 91.0% to 94.0%) would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week beginning 28 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.

In Northern Ireland, it is estimated that 9 in 10 adults, or 90.0% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 87.5% to 92.3%) would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week beginning 28 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.

In Scotland, it is estimated that nearly 9 in 10 adults, or 88.6% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 86.7% to 90.3%) would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week beginning 28 June 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated.

Across all four countries of the UK, there is a clear pattern between vaccination and testing positive for COVID-19 antibodies but the detection of antibodies alone is not a precise measure of the immunity protection given by vaccination.

I haven't been convinced that the UK was going to burn down with their opening, and have trusted science over the views of many (including several prominent self proclaimed Covid experts in NZ) who simply want the UK to burn because they're anti Boris and anti Tory.

The next few weeks are going to be very interesting, and there are certainly going to be people who are going to have to eat a lot of humble pie if the real world results back the scientific data that shows vaccines work. If the UK does burn down I really don't know what hope there is for the rest of us..

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#2752138 30-Jul-2021 07:39

Technofreak: ...

I'm not sure our contact tracing has been all that flash either ...

Yes. Observing PM peak time public transport commuters, it is sh*t in Wellington. Mask-wearing on the other hand, compliance rate looks good.

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#2752144 30-Jul-2021 07:55

sbiddle:

I haven't been convinced that the UK was going to burn down with their opening, and have trusted science over the views of many (including several prominent self proclaimed Covid experts in NZ) who simply want the UK to burn because they're anti Boris and anti Tory.

The next few weeks are going to be very interesting, and there are certainly going to be people who are going to have to eat a lot of humble pie if the real world results back the scientific data that shows vaccines work. If the UK does burn down I really don't know what hope there is for the rest of us..

I dont think the issue was the UK burning down. Their vaccination level was good and as they open and expose more risk, vaccinations are growing which continues to box the virus in. The issue was during this period of opening up (more risk) and vaccinations, they are exposing more unvaccinated people to Covid with the resulting deaths and long term effects. The latter with Delta seems very serious. The argument was to use the vaccine as the primary tool, and not the vaccine AND natural immunity which causes more death and long term damage

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