2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2768484 29-Aug-2021 18:27

I suspect the changes around Essential Workers and Industries will be to do with separation of workers.
So running bubbles with staggered break times and minimizing interactions.
There may also be companies used to moving workers around multiple sites which is a problem in L4.
We have seen this come up in Nursing services for MIQ and Aged Care in the past.
Companies sharing the same contract workers who go from location to location, Supermarket shelf filling might be an example.
Things that people might not think of, like cleaners going from site to site not separated from each sites other workers.
Warehousing where many companies share same contract logistics, Ok unless they all have their employees also mixing.
So could be these issues that have workarounds if companies tighten up on having operational bubbles.
My silo is now my bubble :-)

TeaLeaf

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#2768485 29-Aug-2021 18:32

kiwiharry: Does this site help you find a nearby location?
https://www.healthpoint.co.nz/covid-19-vaccination/

Kind of, thats how I found the discrepancy between what is on the bookmyvaccine and the actual list of places on that website etc

Essentially you need to either ring all of them or some have individual calenders, but most definitely as you point out, not every vaccine centre is using the bookmyvaccine system, which given the drama over minimal places north of albany (patient only), using bookmyvaccine should have been mandatory.

The whole thing really is a 1st class c...up haha. It would not have been hard to make using bookmyvaccine essential, which would save having to use multiple systems and in some cases phone only to go through all of Auckland to find the next available appointment. Oh and to add to the multiple booking systems, there is a chain pharmacy that is not even listed and each of them has a separate store calendar for vaccine appointments.

Either way I appreciate your help, as Im doing this to help a loved one in north auckland and to see if i can get myself in earlier. So far i have reduced it by 2 weeks, which might just be enough to get my a pfizer dose, I presume anybody who gets a pfizer, number 2 shot is linked, so we dont have a case of lots of people with only one dose with no garuntee of supply (although likely end of October one web page suggested).

The other thing Im going to try is ringing the bookmyvaccine number to see if they have a master view or some way to query the database for auckland wide soonest slots (unlikely) and with cancellations is there a waiting lists, rather than them driving 100km daily in the hope of a slot being available haha

Im just going to spend the next couple of days searching and ringing etc.

TeaLeaf

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#2768487 29-Aug-2021 18:41

Question about Masks.

We bought a couple from the pharmacy at the start of Covid. They are cloth. They work so well its nearly impossible to keep breathing through them haha. So instead of buying more disposable masks, we like the look of the ones with vents etc that are easy to breath in. The secondary concern is fit, some dont cover the gaps either side of the nose, some don't have enough coverage that if it slips a tiny bit it falls below the nose etc, stuff like that.

I just want some general recommendations for a mask that most find fits good, is easy enough to breath in and is available in NZ. Thank you.

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#2768490 29-Aug-2021 18:47

TeaLeaf: Question about Masks. We bought a couple from the pharmacy at the start of Covid. They are cloth. They work so well its nearly impossible to keep breathing through them haha. So instead of buying more disposable masks, we like the look of the ones with vents etc. The main concern is fit, some dont cover the gaps either side of the nose, some don't have enough coverage that if it slips a tiny bit it falls below the nose etc, stuff like that. I just want some general recommendations for a mask that most find fits good, is easy enough to breath in and is available in NZ. Thank you.

Vented ones are not recommended. (work masks at supermarket lines where you can breathe out and not in through the valve... yeah not smart fellas)

And the online purchased china specials tend to not have a real filter so may as well have holes in them.

A harder to breath through one, is a more likely to be sealed one. (true N95s will often go in and out as the user talks/breathes)

There is no true 1-size fits all (as seen by the media reporters going live every night). I went through 4 different online iterations with slight modifications to make a sealed, flat sitting, capable of talking without moving of my nose or chin.

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#2768491 29-Aug-2021 18:58

TeaLeaf: Yep I agree. The original replier turned to KBW instead of using some manners and helping. I expect the actual experts on here in virology would be pretty darn low. My Mrs is a Biologist by trade so I rely on her to interpret a lot of the peer reviews that I don't fully understand. My neighbours have just gotten vaccinated and they have only been in NZ for 8 months, that does make things very frustrating. I will ask him how that came about. One thing that would have helped is organising vaccination centres well ahead of time, many of them are in limbo, ironically due to this latest outbreak, The subsequent lock down not allowing them to finish compliance etc. Simple things like that need a kick up the behind. So yes, there needs to be some accountability for the roll out in the Govt, surely. Personally I feel reasonably ok with the current situation given they will be getting more Biontech vaccines at the end of October, that is correct? Is there a reason they cannot focus current available doses on getting Auckland vaccinated? otherwise we will be in lockdown for another 5-10 weeks, they will need minimum 3 weeks after the final known case which likely will end up some time around mid October. They definitely need to stop just vaccinating people off the streets and they clearly need to make vaccinations far more accessible. I dont know what some people who are not mobile would be doing with no vaccination centres between Albany and Whangarei (only GPs which they cannot access as not enrolled patients). a 60km each way taxi I suppose. How many doses did NZ receive so far? Efficacy seems to be dropping daily for BionTech/Pfizer. I wish everyone and their families well during the vaccination process :-)

Wow, Long.

Regarding your neighbors getting vaccinated, the time in NZ is irrelevant.

Anybody over 30, or with a pre-existing health condition can book a vaccine now. Note that there are places giving the vaccine that are not listed on book my vaccine, and have quite short wait times. for example the below has appointments available on Tuesday in manukau:

https://www.bargainchemist.co.nz/pages/covid-19-vaccination

I think many GP clinics are accepting bookings from non-enrolled patients too.

Also there are a lot of centers that have excess capacity for whatever reason, and have been taking walkins of any (12+) age.

With regards to vaccination, there is obviously enough capacity stood up to do 90k+ doses a day, so I think it is hard to say that the lockdown is causing an issue with vaccination (it was below 50k before lockdown).

It is really unclear what is going on with vaccine deliveries, but some statements have said September is the issue, and October should be sweet.

There is said to be a big vaccine allocation announcement on Tuesday. That may be moving vaccine allocations to Auckland from the rest of the country.

With regards to doses received so far, the number is 3,279,510 + the 320,000? odd that were announced to have been received at today's press conference.

Data from Israel does imply dropping effectiveness either vs delta or over time. Clear that we will need to boost at some point.

Fred99

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#2768494 29-Aug-2021 19:22

TeaLeaf: The original replier turned to KBW instead of using some manners and helping.

Infest this thread with a political rant accusing *everybody* involved in NZ's C19 response of lying, deceiving, and doing *everything* wrong - and you'll get exactly the same response from me.

It was a dumb post - get over it.

TeaLeaf

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#2768496 29-Aug-2021 19:30

Scott3:

There is said to be a big vaccine allocation announcement on Tuesday. That may be moving vaccine allocations to Auckland from the rest of the country.

With regards to doses received so far, the number is 3,279,510 + the 320,000? odd that were announced to have been received at today's press conference.

Data from Israel does imply dropping effectiveness either vs delta or over time. Clear that we will need to boost at some point.

Thank you.

yeah the Mrs mentioned the announcement, I thought she said tomorrow but sometimes my skills at listening all day long get tired baha ;-p

So about 3.6M at this stage, which is not even enough for first dose for everybody.

Well sounds like Im not the only one thinking moving vaccines into Auckland to help get it out of lockdown is a good plan. Just makes sense.

Im not an expert but given the time required for second dose, more doses in October doesnt sound that bad. I must stop reading the news haha. Ive shaved 19 days off my waiting time so far by ringing around places that dont have booking systems online. Im pretty sure I may be able to improve on this further.

Yes we have a young friend who walked into the main Auck one (I think, could have been another). I would have thought ringing people on a waiting list who have already booked would have been both fairer and how hospital appointments are run, plus you could be walking in daily for weeks and not get an appointment, its more chaotic than ringing existing bookings to offer quicker vaccinations.

Yep it was the Israel data I was going off. Some of the stats are a bit worrying, not just efficacy. But, Id like to see a more global perspective on it. and as well all know, ya can't trust a lot of "news"/reports on the net. Basically a number of other sources have debunked a lot of the stats some have gone out of their way to spread, why people do this Im not sure.

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#2768498 29-Aug-2021 19:45

Got into factory?

Factory can operate in level 4? Looks like at factory the day before lockdown.

That was a while ago...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-sistema-factory-closed-after-employee-tests-positive/E3NGYJYF6XVUCNORKY7RIVVQ6M/

mattwnz

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#2768500 29-Aug-2021 19:46

There hasn't been much discussion of how NZ is going to live with virus once we have reach peak vaccination. We are going to need more ICU beds with staff, and more hospital capacity in general, and there are going to be more deaths from it. That is going to be the key thing IMO. But we aren't hearing much about this. Many other countries that are going to be living with it, including Oz, have far better health capacity then poor old NZ. We may get to a high vaccination number by Christmas, and then no doubt there will be calls from certain business sectors to open up the country to the rest of the world. But that doesn't look like it can happen until we sort out how to deal with people getting the virus and needing treatment.

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#2768501 29-Aug-2021 19:48

mattwnz:
There hasn't been much discussion of how NZ is going to live with virus once we have reach peak vaccination. We are going to need more ICU beds with staff, and more hospital capacity in general, and there are going to be more deaths from it. That is going to be the key thing IMO. But we aren't hearing much about this. Many other countries that are going to be living with it, including Oz, have far better health capacity then poor old NZ. We may get to a high vaccination number by Christmas, and then no doubt there will be calls from certain business sectors to open up the country to the rest of the world. But that doesn't look like it can happen until we sort out how to deal with people getting the virus and needing treatment.

I don't think planning is our strong suit.

mattwnz

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#2768503 29-Aug-2021 19:53

Batman: Got into factory

Factory can operate in level 4? Looks like at factory the day before lockdown.

That was a while ago...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-sistema-factory-closed-after-employee-tests-positive/E3NGYJYF6XVUCNORKY7RIVVQ6M/

Did they operate in last years level 4 lockdown?

Oblivian

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#2768504 29-Aug-2021 19:53

mattwnz:

There hasn't been much discussion of how NZ is going to live with virus once we have reach peak vaccination.

'Living with it' is not currently on the cards. Therefore. No discussion required currently.

Go watch tonight's one news reply from about 7mins if you want any sort of 'discussion'.

mattwnz

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#2768505 29-Aug-2021 19:55

Batman:
mattwnz:

There hasn't been much discussion of how NZ is going to live with virus once we have reach peak vaccination. We are going to need more ICU beds with staff, and more hospital capacity in general, and there are going to be more deaths from it. That is going to be the key thing IMO. But we aren't hearing much about this. Many other countries that are going to be living with it, including Oz, have far better health capacity then poor old NZ. We may get to a high vaccination number by Christmas, and then no doubt there will be calls from certain business sectors to open up the country to the rest of the world. But that doesn't look like it can happen until we sort out how to deal with people getting the virus and needing treatment.

I don't think planning is our strong suit.

LOL, true, NZ is often ambulance at the bottom of the cliff over many things. But IMO this is pretty much a key thing. Vaccination is all very well, but living with the virus and opening up is going to need a lot of extra health resources, espeically over time as vaccinations become less effective. IMO we should be importing qualified people to work in hospitals now, and importing equipment.

Oblivian

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#2768506 29-Aug-2021 19:59

Batman: Got into factory?

Factory can operate in level 4? Looks like at factory the day before lockdown.

That was a while ago...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-sistema-factory-closed-after-employee-tests-positive/E3NGYJYF6XVUCNORKY7RIVVQ6M/

That is quite potentially an 'exhibit B' of her comments today if they knew about it early on.

And there is to be focus on businesses self classing as essential as a result.

It has always been you are considered essential, if you supply essential chains. That however. Would be as debatable. as most examples currently operating that aren't pharmaceutical or supermaket or fuel based.

Little awkward after this

mattwnz

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#2768507 29-Aug-2021 19:59

Oblivian:

mattwnz:

There hasn't been much discussion of how NZ is going to live with virus once we have reach peak vaccination.

'Living with it' is not currently on the cards. Therefore. No discussion required currently.

Go watch tonight's one news reply from about 7mins if you want any sort of 'discussion'.

We are living with it though, hence why we are in lockdown to restrict cases, and hopefully eliminate it. Elimination is always temporary until the next leak, as long as people with the virus keep coming into the country with the virus. It is about living with it once people are vaccinated, because vaccination is not a silver bullet..

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