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#2768763 30-Aug-2021 12:42

Hipkins has just admitted he led us down the path when he said earlier in the year that we would get out Pfizer in September

"Covid-19 Minister Chris Hipkins says he inadvertently misled media when discussing the delivery timetable for the Covid-19 vaccine.
Hipkins has been saying in recent days that the last large shipments of the vaccine will arrive in the country during October.

But in comments to media earlier this year, Hipkins repeatedly said the country would receive its entire shipment of 10 million doses of the vaccine by the end of the third quarter – September 30.
Asked about this discrepancy, Hipkins said he had received advice about the vaccine arriving “by October” and had interpreted that wrongly."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300394580/covid19-nz-chris-hipkins-admits-misinterpreting-vaccine-delivery-schedule-by-a-month

Buster

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#2768764 30-Aug-2021 12:43

I see Boris J name linked to 50,000 covid deaths per year being acceptable for the UK going forward. Almost 1000 per week.

If NZ took that stance it all boils down to 10 covid deaths per day. Makes you wonder how many get admitted to ICU per day if 10 die per day? How many get admitted to Hospital per day?

Oblivian

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#2768769 30-Aug-2021 12:46

Buster:
I see Boris J name linked to 50,000 covid deaths per year being acceptable for the UK going forward. Almost 1000 per week.

If NZ took that stance it all boils down to 10 covid deaths per day. Makes you wonder how many get admitted to ICU per day if 10 die per day? How many get admitted to Hospital per day?

About 900 there

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

HelloThere

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#2768783 30-Aug-2021 13:25

53 cases all in Auckland. Now total 562 community cases. 37 in hospital with 5 of those in ICU in stable condition.

Scott3

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#2768785 30-Aug-2021 13:27

wellygary:

Hipkins has just admitted he led us down the path when he said earlier in the year that we would get out Pfizer in September

"Covid-19 Minister Chris Hipkins says he inadvertently misled media when discussing the delivery timetable for the Covid-19 vaccine.
Hipkins has been saying in recent days that the last large shipments of the vaccine will arrive in the country during October.

But in comments to media earlier this year, Hipkins repeatedly said the country would receive its entire shipment of 10 million doses of the vaccine by the end of the third quarter – September 30.
Asked about this discrepancy, Hipkins said he had received advice about the vaccine arriving “by October” and had interpreted that wrongly."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300394580/covid19-nz-chris-hipkins-admits-misinterpreting-vaccine-delivery-schedule-by-a-month

This is extremely disappointing.

Surly being aware of accurate contractual parameters for New Zealand covid-19 vaccine procurement, would be expected of a competent Covid-19 response minister.

So either there is incompetence, or outright lying.

Should also note it is not Just Chris Hipkins, but also Grant Robertson

"Finance Minister Grant Robertson said the contract with Pfizer contained penalties if it failed to deliver promised vaccine doses, which he said he was confident wouldn't happen.

"The agreement we've got with Pfizer will have all of the doses we need to meet our goal of all New Zealanders over the age of 16 who want to be vaccinated, being vaccinated at the end of the year, but that means that we will get a delivery at the end of September essentially of the full lot,"

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/443448/covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-delivery-timeline-due-next-week-hipkins

Fred99

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#2768788 30-Aug-2021 13:33

1290 new cases in NSW, 4 deaths.

840 in hospital, 137 in ICU, 48 on ventilators.

GV27

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#2768789 30-Aug-2021 13:33

Add it to the list of "we said stuff was happening when we were under the gun about something, turns out it's not".

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wellygary

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#2768792 30-Aug-2021 13:37

HelloThere: 53 cases all in Auckland. Now total 562 community cases. 37 in hospital with 5 of those in ICU in stable condition.

We are starting to see the beginning of the recoveries too, Yesterday's total was 511, +53 =564....

clinty

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#2768796 30-Aug-2021 13:43

Scott3:

This is extremely disappointing.

Surly being aware of accurate contractual parameters for New Zealand covid-19 vaccine procurement, would be expected of a competent Covid-19 response minister.

So either there is incompetence, or outright lying.

Should also note it is not Just Chris Hipkins, but also Grant Robertson

"Finance Minister Grant Robertson said the contract with Pfizer contained penalties if it failed to deliver promised vaccine doses, which he said he was confident wouldn't happen.

"The agreement we've got with Pfizer will have all of the doses we need to meet our goal of all New Zealanders over the age of 16 who want to be vaccinated, being vaccinated at the end of the year, but that means that we will get a delivery at the end of September essentially of the full lot,"

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/443448/covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-delivery-timeline-due-next-week-hipkins

or possibly an aide prepared a briefing paper or summary, that they both read at the time, and the aide misinterpreted the date of delivery.

they have been referring to October for a while now, so the error was obviously picked up

Clint

GV27

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#2768797 30-Aug-2021 13:44

wellygary:

HelloThere: 53 cases all in Auckland. Now total 562 community cases. 37 in hospital with 5 of those in ICU in stable condition.

We are starting to see the beginning of the recoveries too, Yesterday's total was 511, +53 =564....

Inevitable when your outbreak lasts for more than two weeks.

Fred99

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#2768798 30-Aug-2021 13:45

Thinking that Hipkins deliberately "lied" is sheer and utter idiocy.

You conspiracy theorists need to get a grip on yourselves. It's pathetic.

TeaLeaf

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#2768801 30-Aug-2021 13:47

Oblivian: My viewpoint - It's such a big thing still globally. I don't hold much hope for the next few years for any of us no matter how good we make it this outbreak.

Yep I agree. I read an "expert" commentary that in one way or another we will all have caught it in one shape or another. Words to that effect. Which is fairly logical looking a the state of the world not NZ. But my view on it is, I would rather lower my risk of long covid with a vaccine than catch it outright.

Very sad news we had our 1st Biontech covid vaccine related death recorded in NZ, Im sure its already posted on here. However the number of deaths from immunisations from all the nasty bugs doesnt scare most people, so Im hoping this doesnt deter people.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nz-woman-dies-after-suffering-rare-side-effect-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine

What Im curious about is the percentage chance of catching it with each stage/dose of the vaccine. Is anybody analysing this? Not the efficacy percentage, but the efficacy change by dose percentage.

Ive managed to get mine down from 7 weeks to 5 weeks in a pharmacy 50km away. Im glad other people in NZ found it "easy", but it is anything but in most of Auck.

What we might do is take a cancellation for each member of the family, but means driving 100km each trip, 4 times. But I think its worth it, even if new doses will arrive in late October, I can see Auckland potentially remaining in lockdown until then, if they do not divert the doses as they are disccussing. So if still in lockdown regardless of availability we "should" remain safe.

Im ringing around still with no joy. So Im standing by my opinion the vaccine roll out process was poorly managed, slow and confusing. If anybody has suggestions for ANYWHERE in Auckland i should try next, please let me know, thank you :-)

tdgeek

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#2768802 30-Aug-2021 13:49

wellygary:

HelloThere: 53 cases all in Auckland. Now total 562 community cases. 37 in hospital with 5 of those in ICU in stable condition.

We are starting to see the beginning of the recoveries too, Yesterday's total was 511, +53 =564....

Yes, for me, they aren't relevant. I want cases to reduce BECAUSE CT reduces. Household infection, recoveries, they are all noise to me, they are what happened after infection, I want to know that infection is reducing

GV27

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#2768805 30-Aug-2021 13:59

Oh, the Hipkins thing is a 'recent days' thing? It's not like they made a promise months ago and then didn't come clean when they knew it wasn't panning out.

He just got it wrong. It happens. Move on. Bigger fish to fry.

Zeon

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#2768808 30-Aug-2021 14:01

Fred99:

Thinking that Hipkins deliberately "lied" is sheer and utter idiocy.

You conspiracy theorists need to get a grip on yourselves. It's pathetic.

Politicians of all political sides are well known to lie.... Huge overreaction to suggest a politician lying is a "consiparacy"

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