2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2768854 30-Aug-2021 15:03

DS248:
C-19 was not transmitted by six people in public walkway - all have now returned negative day-12 tests

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300394766/covid19-mystery-remains-as-to-how-delta-got-out-into-the-community

We never found the actually source of the previous outbreaks, or the source of the entire pandemic!

Maybe these people are no longer infectious and are testing negative. Any way to check antibodies

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#2768855 30-Aug-2021 15:05

Fred99:

I said deliberately lied.

It's absolutely conspiracy theory.

You're the only one who said that. No one else said it was deliberate. I really don't see a conspiracy theory.

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#2768856 30-Aug-2021 15:05

TeaLeaf:
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Cause of death hasn't been established. There's a whole range of "other medical issues" that could have contributed.

Oh really. All of the main news websites are saying it, so again we are getting misinformation from the media. No wonder people are confused.

People who don't read the articles aren't suffering from misinformation they are suffering from a lack of comprehension.

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#2768857 30-Aug-2021 15:05

TeaLeaf: it was pretty nasty by the 2nd week which is when imo the bubble should have been closed immediately,

It would have likely made little/no difference, the Government would have still worked to bring people home from OZ, Via MIQ... Which is exactly the way this outbreak started...

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#2768858 30-Aug-2021 15:06

Technofreak:
Fred99:

I said deliberately lied.

It's absolutely conspiracy theory.

You're the only one who said that. No one else said it was deliberate. I really don't see a conspiracy theory.

That's because there isn't one.

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#2768863 30-Aug-2021 15:19

TeaLeaf:
Fred99:

Cause of death hasn't been established. There's a whole range of "other medical issues" that could have contributed.
Oh really. All of the main news websites are saying it, so again we are getting misinformation from the media.

I only checked the NZ Herald article. While I agree that the headline implies that it's definite, that's not quite what the article said, though the ministry quoted the vaccine safety board saying "probably".

Possibly more important - as myocarditis is a known but very unlikely risk factor and even far more unlikely to cause death - is finding out for sure and looking at those "other medical issues" and finding out if the combination of risk factors could be foreseen and avoided. (but that would ideally require us to have some stocks of an alternative vaccine such as AZ).

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#2768864 30-Aug-2021 15:23

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126217856/covid19-nz-explaining-what-is-going-on-with-the-daily-case-numbers

Group 1 Household/contacts transmission

Group 2 True Community Transmission

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#2768869 30-Aug-2021 15:26

I would take todays big drop in numbers with a grain of salt, because historically less people get tested at the weekend. This is backed up by the official by numbers being tested.

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#2768870 30-Aug-2021 15:27

Oblivian:
TeaLeaf

Bumping the jab ahead to RIGHT NOW due to fear of this outbreak. Is no different to leaving it until you are due

What has happened is some of the Unichem chains have not been ratified and the auditing process is in limbo ironically due to the outbreak, they clearly didnt forsee that happening. So all the sites from Albany to Warkworth are overloaded due to the intended vaccine sites (Unichem etc) not having been audited yet, About a 100km corridor of inaccessibility until about the same time the 2nd doses are arriving.

So the 1st jab, if I waited 5-8 weeks then I would be waiting 14 weeks for the 2nd jab. At least getting the jab next week, we will be ready for the 2nd doses when the arrive in October. Its not a fear thing, more a logistical stress thing (Mrs is working and my brain function due my illness is low). In saying that I have no doubt I would have a local appointment soon if there wasnt fear in people booking multiples as you imply. At least cancelling the 2 we had, it at least gives people local to the pharmacy (way out west) a chance to get in sooner,

I get your point though, just keep in mind Auck is a completely different landscape right now than CCH etc with not only a vastly bigger population (and city) rushing to get shots, look at the daily doses climbing.

I know boosters essentially are what activates immunity. But are Biontech/Pfizer under way developing new boosters that will also fight variants like Delta? Given its a non traditional vaccine (many say its not technically a vaccine, meh), and given how Biontech work, that booster should be developed fairly quickly? those Germans are a very clever bunch pro rata. :-)

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#2768871 30-Aug-2021 15:30

mattwnz: I would take todays big drop in numbers with a grain of salt, because historically less people get tested at the weekend. This is backed up by the official by numbers being tested.

Agree

As well, how many are the known and expected household/contacts and how many are the worriesome post lockdown in community exposures?

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#2768873 30-Aug-2021 15:37

mattwnz: I would take todays big drop in numbers with a grain of salt, because historically less people get tested at the weekend. This is backed up by the official by numbers being tested.

Totally.

I would take Saturdays result of 83 with a grain of salt given 70 of them were from the one group of people.

Personally I think the lockdown on Auck will have to have an impact and until then and vaccine numbers are high, it should remain in lockdown.

What I noticed with the UKs third wave was how low deaths were in comparison to the 1st and 2nd, which is inline maybe with both Delta being less severe (death) and the vaccination numbers climbing in the UK around the same time. That is ultimately what we are going to have to do at some stage, fully vaccinate and the bight the bit. But imo right now is not the time, outside total economic meltdown, keeping Auck in lockdown, then so be it, but Open day is coming.

I mean it is about time the rest of NZ supported Auck given how Auckland has carried the All Blacks for the last 120 years ;-p

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#2768874 30-Aug-2021 15:38

Batman: Any way to check antibodies

Yes - but not easily for accurate mass screening.

The UK NHS is doing this now, collating good data using samples from donated blood and blood samples taken from people who are having PCR tests (and consent to take part in the study).

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#2768875 30-Aug-2021 15:40

TeaLeaf: Its not a fear thing, more a logistical stress thing (Mrs is working and my brain function due my illness is low). In saying that I have no doubt I would have a local appointment soon if there wasnt fear in people booking multiples as you imply.

At least cancelling the 2 we had, it at least gives people local to the pharmacy (way out west) a chance to get in sooner, I get your point though,

just keep in mind Auck is a completely different landscape right now than CCH etc with not only a vastly bigger population (and city) rushing to get shots, look at the daily doses climbing.

I know boosters essentially are what activates immunity. But are Biontech/Pfizer under way developing new boosters that will also fight variants like Delta? Given its a non traditional vaccine (many say its not technically a vaccine, meh), and given how Biontech work, that booster should be developed fairly quickly? those Germans are a very clever bunch pro rata. :-)

Somewhat Plateauing is the word you are looking for. From being behind the spread. To now reaching ahead of it, It isn't currently a wildfire.

The same rush is on here.

We have less population. Yes. But also less sites and no public drive through like up there. So somewhat equal in that regard.

Yes, SInce deltas inception there have been research ongoing. But just like how this one took a year, it will be the same for any variation. No matter how soon they have one ready.

Short and tall. Jabbing in our situation will only discourage hospitilsation in any FUTURE outbreak occurrence. Elsewhere, they aren't having outbreaks. It never stopped

The less they stop it, the more it changes, the more the cycle starts again

Concerns in tiny old NZ, isn't terribly warranted until the rest of the world decides to smarten up and help our cause.

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#2768879 30-Aug-2021 15:45

TeaLeaf:which is inline maybe with both Delta being less severe (death)

It's almost certainly the opposite. It's considerably more severe.

Delta seems to be widely circulating in younger age groups, probably partly because older age groups (and younger people with conditions that put them "at risk") generally have high vaccination rates, and possibly just human behaviour - older people are more wary - less likely to attend "mass infection events", rock concerts, night clubs, large parties etc..

Because it's circulating most widely in less at risk groups, and so many are vaccinated (thus also much less "at risk") the case fatality rate is much lower.

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#2768882 30-Aug-2021 15:59

Handle9:
Technofreak:

You're the only one who said that. No one else said it was deliberate. I really don't see a conspiracy theory.

That's because there isn't one.

Always assume incompetence before looking for conspiracy.... Macchiavelli.

But of course he would say that...

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