2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2788561 3-Oct-2021 13:35

Well well... the PR use of "under control" over the past few weeks at the 1pm presser has shown up.

Bloomfield looks awful today - I feel for him because as Ardern puts it the other week "ultimately it is your decision".

Make jabs mandatory to go anywhere unless one has a medical reason not to get it.

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#2788562 3-Oct-2021 13:37

heavenlywild: Make jabs mandatory to go anywhere unless one has a medical reason not to get it.

This is one thing I agree with you on this topic.

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#2788565 3-Oct-2021 13:45

Yes. Border workers (Auckland border) should be mandatory vaccinated.

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#2788567 3-Oct-2021 13:49

freitasm:
heavenlywild: Make jabs mandatory to go anywhere unless one has a medical reason not to get it.

This is one thing I agree with you on this topic.

Finally some common ground :)

Unfortunately it takes an outbreak to motivate people to get jabbed. No doubt the Waikato jabs will go through the roof this coming week.

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#2788579 3-Oct-2021 13:56

The trend continues to track upward

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#2788585 3-Oct-2021 14:05

Singapore tightening restrictions again, as outbreak stretches ability to manage.
Apparently 2 people is a 'gathering' in Singapore.

Telemedicine is easy to say but harder to do.
Hopefully someone in MOH here has ordered devices and stocked up on blood oxygen monitors, thermometers and home oxygen kits/supply ?

Singapore could see 5,000 daily Covid-19 cases by mid-Oct, but most will have no or mild symptoms
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapore-could-see-5000-daily-covid-19-cases-by-mid-oct-but-most-will-have-no-or

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Over the past week, 580 beds have been set up across four Covid-19 treatment facilities. The Ministry of Health (MOH) plans to ramp this up to 3,700 beds across nine facilities by the end of October.
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At present, 56 per cent of patients recover at home - although this figure is expected to go up in the coming weeks.
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Singapore relying on telemedicine to manage.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/home-recovery-telemedicine-providers-stretched-thin-but-working-round-the-clock-to

Singapore hits highest daily number of Covid-19 cases since the start of the pandemic
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/02/asia/singapore-highest-coronavirus-numbers-intl-hnk/index.html

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The tighter restrictions include limiting social gatherings to two people, making work-from-home the standard again, rather than having 50% of employees in the office, and suspending or moving classes online for students aged 12 and under.
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#2788588 3-Oct-2021 14:12

heavenlywild:

Finally some common ground :)

Unfortunately it takes an outbreak to motivate people to get jabbed. No doubt the Waikato jabs will go through the roof this coming week.

I remember someone posted some regional vaccination rates. Many areas outside of Auckland seemed to slow down their vaccination rate once they were back in level 2.

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#2788591 3-Oct-2021 14:14

Partner just went past Claudelands Event Centre and nothing was setup for testing. Gates closed and no vehicle line-up. Hopefully opens soon because Founders Threatre was at full capacity and they were telling people to go to Claudelands.

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#2788594 3-Oct-2021 14:20

Buster:

Yes. Border workers (Auckland border) should be mandatory vaccinated.

Anyone crossing the border should be vaccinated IMO, including truck drivers etc. Also students returning to uni, which is a crazy one. Each of these things are a risk of the virus leaking, student probably more of a risk.

I think it is clear that some of the decisions made during this outbreak have not been good, especially as experts have said that elimination is still the best response to an outbreak. The level 3 drop seemed to be the turning point signal, but some of the media have also been putting a lot of doubt in peoples minds that elimination was impossible IMO. I didn't hear the PM refer to elimination this time. The PM was saying that the reason Auckland is in level 3 and a hard border in place was to give the rest of NZ time to get vaccinated, and they were making the sacrifice to allow this to happen.

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#2788596 3-Oct-2021 14:23

So pretty clear we are not going to L2 tomorrow, and possibly not for the next two weeks.

Strong sign-posting that a vaccination target will be key to Auckland dropping alert levels.

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#2788600 3-Oct-2021 14:24

Re : the spot check borders around Hamilton.

If no reasonable reason or work exemption is quickly forthcoming. Turn them around with a fine included.

Repeat offenders. Confiscate the transportation. Crush at a later date.

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#2788601 3-Oct-2021 14:26

GV27:

So pretty clear we are not going to L2 tomorrow, and possibly not for the next two weeks.

Strong sign-posting that a vaccination target will be key to Auckland dropping alert levels.

I wouldn't be surprised if some restrictions are eased, but if they dropped a level they would have to admit they are giving up on elimination IMO, because level 3 is clearly causing the situation to get worse, and the risk to the rest of NZ also increased. Wouldn't be surprised to see triple digit cases in the next week or two, especially after the rallies that have been held.

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#2788603 3-Oct-2021 14:29

alexx:

heavenlywild:

Finally some common ground :)

Unfortunately it takes an outbreak to motivate people to get jabbed. No doubt the Waikato jabs will go through the roof this coming week.

I remember someone posted some regional vaccination rates. Many areas outside of Auckland seemed to slow down their vaccination rate once they were back in level 2.

From here: https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

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#2788605 3-Oct-2021 14:30

mattwnz:

GV27:

So pretty clear we are not going to L2 tomorrow, and possibly not for the next two weeks.

Strong sign-posting that a vaccination target will be key to Auckland dropping alert levels.

I wouldn't be surprised if some restrictions are eased, but if they dropped a level they would have to admit they are giving up on elimination IMO, because level 3 is clearly causing the situation to get worse, and the risk to the rest of NZ also increased. Wouldn't be surprised to see triple digit cases in the next week or two, especially after the rallies that have been held.

I can't imagine why there could be any expectation for Akl level to drop when Hamilton will be in L3 from 11:59 tonight - for a minimum 5 days.

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#2788606 3-Oct-2021 14:33

Buster:

Re : the spot check borders around Hamilton.

If no reasonable reason or work exemption is quickly forthcoming. Turn them around with a fine included.

Repeat offenders. Confiscate the transportation. Crush at a later date.

I agree with that.

Also food for those in the opposition to claim the government actions are fascist, or dictatorial.

Fine line, right? Don't do it, people complain. Do it, people complain.

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