2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2791762 8-Oct-2021 12:11

I know the FDA approved Ellume and were using it last year, Im not sure if that is the brand they placed mass order for?

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COVID-19 rapid antigen home testing to be available from November - ABC News

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Their vaccination rates are outstanding. It would be worth considering whether the strategy that got them there can be replicated.

I was half joking when I said lets just copy NSW full plan and whiteout 70% and insert 90% ;-p

Im wondering if a booster programme will follow the same "Groups" are prior (given the stats on immunity wane, age and those stats coming from Israel, its been fairly clear for a while a booster would be part of the programme, at least for rational countries like NZ)

Group 2 wording may need changing for a Booster roll out "High-risk frontline workers and people living in high-risk places" :-). Perhaps "Higher-risk places"

Trying to find some hard data (trolling places like Yale medical etc) on why the Moderna immunity wane appears significantly less than Pfizer, just going off Zdoggs podcast for now, his theory is its due to the larger viral load in the Moderna dose. Covid: Moderna Vaccine Creates Twice as Many Antibodies as Pfizer, Study Shows - Bloomberg But no hard evidence to back that up yet, or any other theories as to why.

Moderna vs. Pfizer: Is One Vaccine Stronger Against Delta Variant? – NBC Chicago
As for straight out immunity vs Delta, "the authors found that the Moderna vaccine (also known as mRNA-1273) was 76% effective at preventing infection, but the Pfizer vaccine (known as BNT162b2) was 42% effective.". Keep in mind this study has not been reviewed yet.

Disclaimer: Regardless, rate of hospitalisation for those unvaxxd vs vaxxd is extremely higher. CDC info pre Delta stated unvaxxd 25x more likely to be Hospitalised and 8x more likely to catch the virus in the first place. If that doesn't get vax numbers continuing to grow again, I think we will need to have this type of information sign posted or leaflet dropped in those areas of which people are resistant to getting vaxxd, possibly due to effort required or other, rather than being anti-vaxx etc.

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#2791771 8-Oct-2021 12:59

No Press Conf. today, just a statement.

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#2791772 8-Oct-2021 12:59

https://covid19map.co.nz/vaccination-rates/suburb/

Props to whoever made this to scrap MoH data by Suburb and put it into an interactive map

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#2791775 8-Oct-2021 13:04

TeaLeaf:

Disclaimer: Regardless, rate of hospitalisation for those unvaxxd vs vaxxd is extremely higher. CDC info pre Delta stated unvaxxd 25x more likely to be Hospitalised and 8x more likely to catch the virus in the first place. If that doesn't get vax numbers continuing to grow again, I think we will need to have this type of information sign posted or leaflet dropped in those areas of which people are resistant to getting vaxxd, possibly due to effort required or other, rather than being anti-vaxx etc.

First you've got to get a lot of them to believe that data. Many of them don't believe the statistics as the numbers are seen as propaganda and at not factual.

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#2791776 8-Oct-2021 13:06

44. Good Lord.

26 unlinked cases over the past 14 days.

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#2791777 8-Oct-2021 13:08

Technofreak:

First you've got to get a lot of them to believe that data. Many of them don't believe the statistics as the numbers are seen as propaganda and at not factual.

That is quite scary to think in a conservative country like NZ, which is neither progressive nor regressive, that we would have a large number not able to see through a narrative. For these people, is there anything more we can do?

I was referring more to a subset of "effort required" ie South Auck. Im sure the Pasifika ppl have other reasons aside from effort. But I also think they are less likely to be aware of the facts, especially the elders. Im not even sure if some 20-35yo's would go to the extent of making an effort to find such cold hard (and frightning) statistics. Im not an expert on the community, perhaps somebody else has more insight.

irpegg:

https://covid19map.co.nz/vaccination-rates/suburb/

Props to whoever made this to scrap MoH data by Suburb and put it into an interactive map

Yes, the numbers chart was not showing a clear visual rep like this does. Seems pretty clear you can draw a circle around the middle of the NI and parts of the upper 3rd of the SI. Now its about how to target such areas?

How many people live in the bottom west coast of SI/Fiords? Id imagine if it gets there, access is going to be very tricky for mass groups of infected requiring hospital.

The only "suburb" toggle that sticks out for "double" dose toggle is "Otorohonga". 64%/33% Single/Double

Another toggle for age groups would be flappn truely awesome.

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#2791780 8-Oct-2021 13:18

GV27:
No Press Conf. today, just a statement.

I'm loving our zero tolerance approach.

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TeaLeaf

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#2791782 8-Oct-2021 13:30

Auckland 84/52 Single/Double dose. At what percentage of double dose, would we/they expect to see the vaccine making a difference once it moves from being a more localised issue in South Auckland to a more endemic Auckland wide one? Or possibly will we see the vax dramatically reduce the likelyness of extreme endemic (auck wide) case numbers, ie once we get up and over, say, 80% DD etc?

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#2791787 8-Oct-2021 13:35

TeaLeaf:

That is quite scary to think in a conservative country like NZ, which is neither progressive nor regressive, that we would have a large number not able to see through a narrative. For these people, is there anything more we can do?

NZ is a conservative country? Since when?

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#2791790 8-Oct-2021 13:41

TeaLeaf:
Auckland 84/52 Single/Double dose. At what percentage of double dose, would we/they expect to see the vaccine making a difference once it moves from being a more localised issue in South Auckland to a more endemic Auckland wide one? Or possibly will we see the vax dramatically reduce the likelyness of extreme endemic (auck wide) case numbers, ie once we get up and over, say, 80% DD etc?

Not sure but there are national ones

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/452127/covid-19-modelling-90-percent-vaccination-needed-to-avoid-lockdowns

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300414146/covid19-nz-modelling-suggests-7000-deaths-in-a-year-even-with-75-per-cent-of-country-jabbed

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#2791792 8-Oct-2021 13:44

irpegg:

https://covid19map.co.nz/vaccination-rates/suburb/

Props to whoever made this to scrap MoH data by Suburb and put it into an interactive map

Interesting... pretty clear its wealthy suburbs on top and poor suburbs at the bottom.....

Remuera Waita: 92.5% first dose
Otara West: 62% first dose

I doubt Otara is a hold-out for anti-vaxxers - either people simply don't care, don't know or can't get out due to lots of kids etc..

Door to door may be the only option there...

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#2791793 8-Oct-2021 13:45

GV27:

No Press Conf. today, just a statement.

??? I'm listening to Chris Hipkins now - or are you referring to NSW

GV27

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#2791795 8-Oct-2021 13:51

KrazyKid:

GV27:

No Press Conf. today, just a statement.

??? I'm listening to Chris Hipkins now - or are you referring to NSW

No, odd - I must have been looking at something old? Weird.

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#2791796 8-Oct-2021 13:52

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Effectiveness against infection from a booster might wane just as fast as from the second dose and there are risks from constant jabbing - as well as from getting a (hopefully mild) infection.

10 million doses of Novavax on order, but no approvals anywhere yet, and delta-specific boosters in development, but I'm surprised that we don't have 5 million more doses of Pfizer on order as a backup plan.

We know that B cell and T cell responses will probably last for many years from the vaccination and that the real issue is short term antibodies which are declining quite rapidly.

I think our real issue is the once those antibodies decline that our bodies aren't necessarily generating antibodies from those B cells and T cells as quickly as we'd hope for or ideally want when we are exposed to the virus.

Hopefully the additional booster might be a sufficient wake up call to our bodies that it might not require a yearly booster, and hopefully 2nd generation vaccines work better, but only time is going to tell.. And experts right now really don't know the definitive answers.

Don't worry. In the future booster is gotten from your kids who got it from his playmate at daycare. And you'll get a booster every few months if not weeks. Take a day off, and back to work. T cell and B cell activity complimentary. Yes some of us will die, but we already do from all kinds of things.

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#2791798 8-Oct-2021 13:55

GV27:

No, odd - I must have been looking at something old? Weird.

You were right as I thought. I got no alerts on my devices

The latest figures were released by the ministry in a statement as there was no 1pm press conference in Wellington on Friday.

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