2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2815150 18-Nov-2021 11:17

Dulouz:

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The number of Hospital staff refusing vaccination.
Is this 4% Nurses and Doctors, or over all staff ?

Does it include orderlies, cleaners, laundry, janitors, security, managers, admin ?
Odd techs and trades that are direct employs as opposed to contractors ?

I personally know one senior hospital doctor who has refused the jab. It's not uncommon.

personally if a senior doctor is anti vax then i wouldnt want him treating me anyway, i would consider his/her medical expertise and judgement to be pretty suspect.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2815152 18-Nov-2021 11:18

Am important question is if you are unvaccinated and recover from an infection and consequently have natural immunity are you then considered vaccinated?

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#2815156 18-Nov-2021 11:24

tdgeek:

Id consider cases of 2000+ daily to be massive.

Really depends on your point of view (and of course opinion)

2000 a day in Auckland would represent approx 0.1% of the Auckland population. It'd take nearly 3 years for everyone to (eventually) be infected at that rate. And we haven't even got close to that level yet.

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#2815162 18-Nov-2021 11:40

nzkc:

Really depends on your point of view (and of course opinion)

2000 a day in Auckland would represent approx 0.1% of the Auckland population. It'd take nearly 3 years for everyone to (eventually) be infected at that rate. And we haven't even got close to that level yet.

From what they have now, 2000 is massive. NSW or VIC are not that much bigger. OTOH if you look at it from your post, why do we even bother locking down at all? My point was that NSW VIC are not that much bigger than NZ, so unless NZ gets to 1800 per day every day for a long while, then I feel its massive compared to us. We are holding on so we don't have a freedom day with crappy vaccinations that they had, that matters as well.

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#2815169 18-Nov-2021 11:52

I think we just need to accept that there will be days where NZ has well north of 1000 cases a day (probably before Summer is over).

If most of those cases are vaccinated, they should only be (mostly) mild cases, and mostly asymptomatic. if you're unvaccinated, it will get you, and it may not be very nice (most infections are pretty mild, even amongst unvaccinated).

I suspect we're already at 300-400 cases a day - I'm convinced that most of the people in the current outbreak deliberately aren't getting tested.

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#2815186 18-Nov-2021 12:14

Dulouz:

Am important question is if you are unvaccinated and recover from an infection and consequently have natural immunity are you then considered vaccinated?

I don’t believe that natural immunity is formally recognised. If a recovered COVID case wanted to enjoy the freedoms in the traffic light system they would still need to be vaccinated.

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#2815187 18-Nov-2021 12:15

trig42:

I think we just need to accept that there will be days where NZ has well north of 1000 cases a day (probably before Summer is over).

If most of those cases are vaccinated, they should only be (mostly) mild cases, and mostly asymptomatic. if you're unvaccinated, it will get you, and it may not be very nice (most infections are pretty mild, even amongst unvaccinated).

I suspect we're already at 300-400 cases a day - I'm convinced that most of the people in the current outbreak deliberately aren't getting tested.

Yep, agree. In the past, cases mattered as vaccination was nil and later on its been rising but still low. Once we get to a reasoable vaccination level, and freedom days, cases will rise but its not the same as cases per day were in the past, as we are releasing Covid on the wider community. Vaccine becomes the tool and elimination was now the old pre vaccine tool. Beds and ICU become the new measure, or should.

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#2815212 18-Nov-2021 13:00

Senecio:

Dulouz:

Am important question is if you are unvaccinated and recover from an infection and consequently have natural immunity are you then considered vaccinated?

I don’t believe that natural immunity is formally recognised. If a recovered COVID case wanted to enjoy the freedoms in the traffic light system they would still need to be vaccinated.

Here is the actual guidance: https://covid.immune.org.nz/faq/if-you-had-covid-19-and-recovered-will-you-still-be-able-or-need-get-vaccine

Still need the vaccine and administered 4 weeks after recovery

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#2815215 18-Nov-2021 13:02

tdgeek:
I'd consider cases of 2000+ daily to be massive. If its not, then maybe our daily cases shouldn't even make the news?

When you consider that around 1,960 of those cases will be asymptomatic or mild, it shouldn't make the news at all. Instead we have red breaking news banners across the media for 1 case letalone 2k, which just freaks people out and drives the hysteria.

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#2815222 18-Nov-2021 13:25

Dulouz:

Am important question is if you are unvaccinated and recover from an infection and consequently have natural immunity are you then considered vaccinated?

i know someone who had covid, followed by double vaccination with AZ, recently got covid again.